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    I am looking into getting a new horse. I found two I really like, Im a fan of the "classic" hunter look, the tbs. Ide like some outside looks on these videos, I seem to overlook obvious sometimes, I just want some others opinions.

    First, 16h(ish, I cant remember for sure)chestnut tb gelding, 4 years old, he is doing 2ft6 courses right now but she is working on getting me a vid of that.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOj-1ib-pQ8

    Second, 16h grey tb mare, 5 years old, doing 3ft, possibly a little higher.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sikM2cusiBw

    Thanks!

  • #2
    3' is a bit high for a 5 year old to be jumping, imo. Is she jumping 3' courses on a regular basis, or is it just that she has jumped 3' here and there?

    I would personally be a bit concerned about her joints and future soundness if the former is the case.

    Good luck in your horse search!

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      #3
      Yes, I would wonder that too, Im really not sure, I just put 2 and 2 together before you said that. I could ask.

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      • #4
        Gelding is really cute I think.

        As far as the mare, I wouldn't say I like the way she's been being ridden. She goes well but through the fences she just sticks her nose up in the air and looks kind of stiff to me. Could definitely have a lot to do with the way she's been ridden though. You might have a fair amount of re-schooling/fixing to do with her to get her how you'd like.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Lou-Lou View Post
          3' is a bit high for a 5 year old to be jumping, imo. Is she jumping 3' courses on a regular basis, or is it just that she has jumped 3' here and there?

          I would personally be a bit concerned about her joints and future soundness if the former is the case.

          Good luck in your horse search!
          You know what, REALLY off topic here, But I think so as well..BUT I have a 3 yo & the 3 & 4 yo hutner classes at WEF, upperville, anywhere you look the young hunters are 2'9"-3'!!
          Ans i was thinking oh my god, I would **NEVER** have my 3 yo jumping 3 foot this year...and the IHF has the 3 yo's doing the same.. I am worried about doing 2 foot on her, we are still just doing ground poles..
          SO glad someone else feels the same way!
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          • #6
            I like the chestnut better. In the video it looks like he has a bigger step and he definitely seems to have the nicer jump. He looks quieter and easier in general. He also has the easier lead change.

            Of course, I pick the chestnut because I will always sacrifice "fancy" for "easy". Even though, in this case, I think the chestnut is plenty fancy enough.

            Other people may like a more challenging ride and if that's you, the gray may be a little better. She doesn't have as nice a jump as the chestnut, to me. But it's really impossible to evaluate whether that is her or the ride she's getting based on one video, so you'd need to go see her to be sure. She also looks short-strided but that may also be the way she is being ridden.

            Good luck and enjoy your horse-shopping!
            Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight, / And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way, / Do not go gentle into that good night. -- Dylan Thomas

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            • #7
              i like the gray...i think the way she is being ridden is not helping her at all! i think with some retraining with her, she would be fabulous!!

              however, the chetnut is quite lovely as well! I would take either! haha! but I am a sucker for a gray!
              "If you are nervous you arent focused-if you are focused, there is no room for nerves!"

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              • #8
                5yo Young Jumpers are doing a LOT higher than 3'.

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                • #9
                  Just because they are doing higher than 3' doesn't mean they are any less likely to break down before the age of 10. I'm with everyone else, I think both of these horses are being jumped too high too young. I'd want to see the x-rays of their joints before I decided on anything. Do you plan on keeping this horse for a long time?

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                  • #10
                    I can't say that either of them really do it for me. Out of the two I like the grey better, but she is going to need to be reschooled a bit.

                    The gelding looks sweet, but seems long backed and looks like he would not be as careful over fences.

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                    • #11
                      Just a note on the chestnut's video, I believe someone has forced a 4:3 aspect ratio into a 16:9 screen, making him appear far longer then he would in real life.
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                      • #12
                        I would keep looking... neither are good movers
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                        • #13
                          I see that the gelding is priced at 5k and we need to keep that in mind. Is that your budget? I have no idea what the price of the mare is, but for 5k I think both are decent. You are not going to get a top mover in that range.

                          The gelding seems sweet and easy, though he certainly is not as fancy as the mare. I like his kind attitude. His jump is just okay for me.

                          The grey is very cute and seems very kind over fences. She will need some work between, but I love how honest she is and she does not seem to get rattled.

                          Good luck in your search!
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                          • #14
                            i like the gelding; he seems to carry himself very well & looks nicely balanced to me. For the price, I think he is a good buy. He looks in good flesh & well-cared-for. JMO.

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                            • #15
                              I couldn't open the chestnut's video, but I liked the grey for her price range.

                              The changes didn't look overly sticky or difficult to me. She did seem annoyed about having her face touched, not sure if she needs her teeth done, different bit, different rider, etc. She did a funny head carriage thing on the flat and then the pointy nose over fences. I think this could be fixed by figuring out what is bugging her.

                              She seemed forgiving of rider error, and had plenty of scope for what she was being asked to do. That being said, most of the jumps didn't look 3' to me. 2'6 maybe.

                              TB's do mature more quickly than WB's, and given the height of the jumps in the video, I would guess that she is not being over jumped for her age. You could ask to see x-rays to be sure though.

                              I thought she was quite pretty and had brakes (unlike some TBs), which I liked.

                              ETA: Opened the chestnut's video. His hind end looked a little suspect to me, but that could have been b/c of the re-sizing of the video that another poster mentioned. I'll stand by my first instinct, I like the mare.
                              Last edited by Mav226; Mar. 29, 2009, 02:40 PM. Reason: edit

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                              • #16
                                First, the age/height is a non-issue. The issue of breaking a horse down has little to do with height and age, and more to do with training methods. 1st year greens used to start at 3'6".


                                As far as the horses go it depends on what you are hoping to accomplish. If you want a competitive A hunter you may have to keep looking. The gelding seems to have a great attitude, and is not bad mover but he won't win hack classes at that level. His form over the fence is not A hunter caliber.

                                The grey mare seems to have much more going for her. Her movement is fine, and she would probably place in the hacks. Her form over a fence is good, she is square. However she has been done an injustice in that whoever started her over fences has her upside down in her carriage. Heavy hands or getting hit in the mouth, either way she is reluctant to use her back, or her head and neck. I say it’s the training because on the flat she is long and low and relaxed, put a fence in front of her and it all changes. She needs to go back to square one to fix her problems over fences, and that does not always work, or may take a very long time.

                                I do not know their prices but I would guess that they are both 5K+, and for that, at this time I would think you could do better. You may be better off getting a nice prospect, and putting in the time.

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                                • #17
                                  Well, I think the chestnut is a better buy. He is very quiet and easy, and seems to have enough step. He looks like a very forgiving and easy ride, and uses his head/neck much better over the fence...I think 'fixing' that in the mare is going to be an uphill battle. The grey mare also looks fairly downhill, she is eye-appealing, but getting them to use their neck better o/f is not an easy thing to do. I actually think the chestnut for 5k is a good deal; if he was a year older and had show experience (of course he needs to have the step) than I could see him packing someone around the Modifieds or AA's....though he might not be a fancy mover (though he's not a terrible mover IMO), there is always room for an easy, quiet 2'6-3' horse with the step & that can take a joke.

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                                  • #18
                                    I like the mare a lot more than the gelding. I think she overall looks fancier and while she does need some re-training I think she would take you farther in the long run.

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by GaellentQuest View Post
                                      I can't say that either of them really do it for me. Out of the two I like the grey better, but she is going to need to be reschooled a bit.

                                      The gelding looks sweet, but seems long backed and looks like he would not be as careful over fences.
                                      agreed. i think they are both quite fancy with nice changes.
                                      to me personally the grey looks like she can go higher while the chestnut looks like he might max out at around 3'.
                                      the mare DOES look a little short strided but if you watch, she stretches down more when the rider gets off her back which makes me think the rider wasn't doing her any favors.
                                      the gelding is just too long and low for me.

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