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  • 3' Hunter Derby

    I just saw in an advertisement in the Chronicle for Swan Lake Stables that they are offering a 3' Hunter Derby this summer! I am very excited about this addition and am hoping it attracts many! This should be a lot of fun!

  • #2
    SO cool- wish my local circuit would pick this up. I had made the suggestion last year but we'll see!
    "are you yawning? You don't ride well enough to yawn...I can yawn, because I ride better than you, Meredith Michael Beerbaum can yawn, you, not so much..." George Morris in Camden, SC

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    • #3
      Yes I agree that more 3ft Derbies should be held. We need a place to start young derby horses.
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      • #4
        personally? im not so sure i think its a good idea, i mean arent derbys supposed to be the grand prix of hunters? i think that offering a 3' derby sort of dumbs it down a little.. perhaps thats just me though

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        • #5
          Best View, if your in that area, Heritage Acres is having lower Hunter Derbies also! And eqrider1234, I agree, but I do think the lower derbies are a good thing. They will hopefully get the riders and horses used to different courses, and all the stuff the normal Derbies do. I don't think it is dumbing it down, because the USHJA Derbies are the "Grand Prix" level ones, and the lower ones could be considered like the lower level jumper classes. JMHO!

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            #6
            I also agree that this is not a "dumbing down" but more of a better way to be prepared... there are low jumping classes that prepare horses for the grand prix events....

            I am near Heritage Acres and I will look into these shows! Thanks BlueBobRadar!

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            • #7
              We are having a schooling show with a 2', 2'6" and 3' hunter derby in May. THis is for kids/adult ammies that wawnt to do somethign DIFFERENT than "inside-outside-inside-outside" courses. Something to challenge them a bit and make things more interesting, most of these riders/horses will NEVER be able to do the "real" derby classes. I think it is a GREAT thing for horses and riders. Of course, the questions will not be too difficult and each division we have will have a handy hunter course in the ring, a "bridle path hack" flat class which can call for hand gallops, extended gaits, halts, backs etc and then the "derby" course which will start in the ring and then jump out into an adjacent field with mroe natural obstacles and then end up in the ring. The winner of the division will be most accumulate dpoints, with options carrying higher point values offered. I think it's a GREAT idea!
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              • #8
                That sounds like a ton of fun! When my guy's a bit older, I would love to do that with him!
                ~ Citizens for a Kinder, Gentler COTH...our mantra: Be nice. ~

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                • #9
                  It might be dumbing down the 3'6" or 4ft version, but who cares! Regular hunter shows are getting SO boring, they need to be spiced up like someones job.

                  Correct me if I'm wrong, but the hunter derby is where they make the fences slightly more realistic to hunting jumps, there are options, and you may have to jump out of the ring?

                  I might have to prep up one from my gang to do that, I may even be willing to drive more than 30min to a show! hehe


                  oh I forgot to mention, I think there were some rumors of doing one at Vince dugans barn. I dont know if that would happen this year, but I definitely heard about the possibility.

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                  • #10
                    so what if it's "dumbed down" ? i can't afford a nice junior hunter who can do the regular 3'6''/4' hunter derby. i'll stick with children's for now. the inside/outside/diagonal/outside/etc gets boring. why not challenge the lower divisions? it's a great way to prepare the experienced 3' riders for something bigger! same with young horses!
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                    • #11
                      I finally started doing the Adults this year, and would love to try something like that. I totally agree that the usual hunter courses get boring, and it irks me to be doing more technical stuff in lessons and never get it tested in shows.
                      It's 2020. Do you know where your old horse is?

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                      • #12
                        I do not support this. It is a "dumbing down" of something that was meant to be special. Once more, you will find that many horses don't have the step for the big jumps and will never go on. This is going to turn out the way of most 3' hunter classics. The best horse will not be the winner, the most impressed at 3' will be. My Regular horse was a horrible 3' horse, she loped the jumps and barely did more than canter over. I am sorry if your horses will never be a Derby horse, mine may never be a grand prix jumper, thats life. There are a lot of 3' divisions you can show in. There are not a lot of 4' classes. As far as your boredom arguement, you now have a handy round to relieve your boredom, plus if you wanted to you could always do the level 1 jumpers and ride it like a hunter course or do the equitation. It's all about schooling the young horses and not ribbons right? Further, young horses really don't need more than the green divisions (they have the 3' and 3'3 now) and the A/A's and classics, various warm up's and now a mini hunter derby too. It may be popular but those entries would have gone elsewhere, we are just partitioning the pie more and shrinking our class sizes.
                        Lisa Coletto
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                        • #13
                          Sounds exactly how we used to show back in the 70's. And, I would love for it to come back for the A/A's. Nothing quite like hand galloping back up to the ring and jumping in!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Rubs Not Pats View Post
                            I do not support this. It is a "dumbing down" of something that was meant to be special. Once more, you will find that many horses don't have the step for the big jumps and will never go on. This is going to turn out the way of most 3' hunter classics. The best horse will not be the winner, the most impressed at 3' will be. My Regular horse was a horrible 3' horse, she loped the jumps and barely did more than canter over. I am sorry if your horses will never be a Derby horse, mine may never be a grand prix jumper, thats life. There are a lot of 3' divisions you can show in. There are not a lot of 4' classes. As far as your boredom arguement, you now have a handy round to relieve your boredom, plus if you wanted to you could always do the level 1 jumpers and ride it like a hunter course or do the equitation. It's all about schooling the young horses and not ribbons right? Further, young horses really don't need more than the green divisions (they have the 3' and 3'3 now) and the A/A's and classics, various warm up's and now a mini hunter derby too. It may be popular but those entries would have gone elsewhere, we are just partitioning the pie more and shrinking our class sizes.
                            So, based on your logic, there should be no lower level jumper classes? Isn't the point of the hunter derby partially to promote brilliance and the "old school" hunter format in general? The way you want it, a "Hunter Derby horse" would be a different beast than a hunter.

                            What if we changed the format of ALL hunter classes to include some hunter-derby-type elements? Is this okay because it's not called a "Hunter Derby," or is that still "dumbed down"?

                            I apologize for picking on your post in particular, but I have heard the same thing from many people and I just don't understand where you're coming from.

                            The 3ft hunter derbies would be a completely different thing from the USHJA sponsored ones, so I don't get how they would detract from the meaning of the big ones.

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                            • #15
                              The Old Dominion Horse Show ( July 15-19, USEF AA rated, Manakin Sabot, Va) is holding derby style classes on Sunday for Adults, Children's and Ponies. There is an event page on Facebook with more info. Lots of parties and activities too.
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                              • #16
                                How ironic -

                                The hunter derbies were started (so I thought) to get folks interested in the yesteryear "art" of a hunter, over 3'6" or greater, with some hunt field like challenges (varied by show, of course - only seen one gate that needed opening so far ) -
                                and to build support for the 3'6" classes and up - those dwindling classes - maybe even bring in a sponsor or two.

                                Of course, turns out the winning entries are often the equitation horses, or the low level open jumpers, but never mind, the concept is there and a move is afoot to reward the "hunters" who show in the "hunter derbies" with additional points - balance out the "ringers"
                                But now we have "3 foot" hunter derbies? Eek - really? Need another 3 foot class at a horse show?
                                Want to practice derby "stuff" - take your horse hunting - that is what the hunter derbies are supposed to show off (LOL - in theory) - a good hunter. I feel show management all over this move.....
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                                • #17
                                  Hey, I'm all about adding the handy and I don't see anything wrong with obsticles you would normally see when hunting being added as part of the handy round or other rounds for that matter. I do not support adding another set of 3' weekend classes calling it a Derby. That is like calling the level 0 jumpers the baby prix.

                                  I want to see them add a class of "open hunters" at 4'6. Is anyone going to cater to my needs? Let's face it, most of the regular and second years fall off because they are amateur horses and don't need to do more than 3'6. The Derby was in my mind a way of making the bigger jumps sexy and encouraging people to put their hunters in the higher classes. There is not the same problem in the 3' ring.

                                  My completely random thought I'd like to share....as right now, the Derby is really a professional class.... my horse, went to KY for IHF finals as a four year old. She did the C show right before and that was her first 3' class with real brush and it had a big log as the first jump. All I can say is I am lucky my trainer didn't need the paramedics, she jumped so big! The log was maybe 2'6 and if we didn't get a 4'6 jump over it, I would be surprised. Can you picture all of us A/A riders on our first mini baby wanna be a Derby but not quite course? Best pay up those insurance premiums ladies!
                                  Last edited by Rubs Not Pats; Mar. 16, 2009, 11:26 PM.
                                  Lisa Coletto
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                                  • #18
                                    I think it's great -- I think a lot of people who hate on the 3' hunters would have a hard time beating them on their best day. Some of them are straight ninja. And I just have to wonder how many of the "dumbing down" crowd even rides. Yeah, that's what I just wrote. I suspect a lot of armchair quarterbacks are the ones who are all, "Blah blah blah dumbing down ... blah blah blah dumbing down... " when they've actually jumped a course when exactly? The way some of you talk it's like you show up and everyone runs to the secretary's stand to scratch. It's like the bulletin board equivalent of rail birds, yapping it up criticizing everyone and not even out there doing it. Why not just let people do something fun and different? If I show my horse in a 3' hunter derby it's not like I'm going to be walking around saying I'm on par with the pros who do the AA ones. Meh.
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                                    • #19
                                      To me it seems similar to having the 3' eq class. I am showing in the low adults this year which is 2'6". Next year I hope to move up to 3'. My horse has slight navicular disease right now. It's slow progressing but there's a good chance we'll never make it to 3'6" since he's going to turn 13 this year. I would love the opportunity to do the 3' hunter derby. I don't feel it's any different than having a lower eq class or a lower jumper class. The big eq is still what attracts people just like the grand prix still attracts the most observers. However, it's a nice change for those of us who simply don't have a horse that's capable of moving up.
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                                      • #20
                                        Yo Wedonit....straight ninja? Whazzup you just outta the hood? Funny.

                                        Maybe some of us with performance mares and stallions want them to prove they have the step,,scope and style to do a "real" derby. I am not diss'in the 3' hunters. I show in the 3' hunters. All I am saying is that there are a lot of classes to choose from in the 2'9-3'3 range, not so much so once you reach the 3'6 level.
                                        Lisa Coletto
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