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County tree sizing to actual tree width (cm)???

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  • County tree sizing to actual tree width (cm)???

    For the County fans...

    Does anyone know how County tree sizing (i.e. 1, 2, 3.../narrow, medium, wide...) translates to actual tree width (i.e. 31cm, 32cm...)? I'm considering buying a used County without a trial and have never had a County on my horse.

    Thank you!

  • #2
    I think it depends on which make of County saddle. My horse goes in a Medium Narrow Stabilizer. The horse across the aisle goes in a Medium Narrow Innovation. They are two very different saddles as the horse across the aisle formerly went in a Wide Albion K2. The saddle fitter said the trees are completely different. Doubt that helps you much.,

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    • #3
      Even "actual tree width" doesn't mean anything. A 33 cm Prestige is medium, but the I have another saddle where medium is 29cm. There is no such thing as a universal measurement that you can compare between brands.

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      • #4
        The only one I can give you is that an XW County is about equivalent to a 36/37cm Prestige.
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        • #5
          For comparison, my horse wears a wide County and a 34cm Prestige.

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          • #6
            Ah, so it sounds like perhaps each size of County is about 2cm. XW=36, W=34, M=32, etc, at least in relation to a Prestige. XW in a County has no equivalent in, say, an HDR - they just don't come that wide.
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              #7
              Thanks for the input everyone! Wouldn't it be grand if there were a universal measurement system for trees?! The manufacturers could provide the angle and length of the tree points but I suppose some tree points are flared.

              The saddle I'm considering is a Stabilizer with a #2/Medium tree and my current saddle has a 31 cm tree and is a hair narrow.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by greenwave View Post
                Thanks for the input everyone! Wouldn't it be grand if there were a universal measurement system for trees?! The manufacturers could provide the angle and length of the tree points but I suppose some tree points are flared.

                The saddle I'm considering is a Stabilizer with a #2/Medium tree and my current saddle has a 31 cm tree and is a hair narrow.
                What brand 31cm? A 31 Stubben would be wide but a 31 Prestige is so narrow that it isn't even a standard size (you would have to buy a narrow and have it narrowed).

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by greenwave View Post
                  Thanks for the input everyone! Wouldn't it be grand if there were a universal measurement system for trees?! The manufacturers could provide the angle and length of the tree points but I suppose some tree points are flared.

                  The saddle I'm considering is a Stabilizer with a #2/Medium tree and my current saddle has a 31 cm tree and is a hair narrow.
                  Even if there were a universal standard for tree sizes, you'd still have the problem that panel shape can seriously alter the fit of the saddle. I've seen a single horse go in a medium-narrow or wide saddle depending on how the panels were arranged.

                  My STRONG advice to you having watched your last few threads is to NOT take a shot in the dark to save money. You will end up with a saddle that either doesn't fit, sorta fits but not as well as you would hope (meaning problems down the line), etc. Get yourself a proper set of wither tracings--take them yourself if you're on a budget--and don't buy a saddle until you've at LEAST held the wither tracings up to the saddle's gullet/panels to see if you've got a fighting chance. I could have saved hundreds of dollars over my last four saddle purchases if I'd clued into this idea sooner.
                  Head Geek at The Saddle Geek Blog http://www.thesaddlegeek.com/

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                  • #10
                    One thing you could do is call a county rep and see if they could come out and measure your horse and then ask them if that saddle would fit. County is a wonderful company and has wonderful customer service. I'm sure if you called them and explained your situation they'd try to help.
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                    • #11
                      Agree that tracings need to be taken at least. Next best is have a saddle-specific rep come out. BEST is have an independent fitter come out, one who has access to lots of different brands.

                      There's just so much more to fitting than the width at the dots. There is tree point angle, there is A shape vs upside down U shape to the tree (which can make the difference between a 34cm fitting well or not at all), there is the front-back shape (curvier or flatter) and there is the angle of the rear panels (flatter or more angled).
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                        #12
                        Thanks to all for the good advice.

                        I fully understand that regardless of the indicated 'size' this saddle may not fit my horse or me. I wouldn't even be considering it if it weren't such a steal! If it doesn't work I'm confident I'll be able to turn it around at no loss or maybe even make some money.

                        I've been trying to buff up on my saddle-fitting knowledge in recent months and wow is there allot to know! For those who want to learn more, I highly recommend The Horse's Pain-Free Back and Saddle-Fit Book by Joyce Harman, DVM.

                        Unfortunately, there aren't many tack shops in my area and the selection of high-quality, wool flocked CC saddles available locally is nill. The County fitter in my region is very good and he comes through town every 4-6 weeks. If I decide to take a gamble on this saddle and it passes my judgment I'll have him out for a professional evaluation. If it doesn't work I'll have tracings done and have my boy fitted for a County too so that I'll be better prepared the next time a good deal comes around!

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                        • #13
                          I'd highly recommend going to www.trumbullmtn.com and using their guideline for doing a wither tracing and getting in touch with them I found that the shape of the Black Country is very similar to County, and for MUCH less $$
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