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Does anyone know what "Red Shot" is for hunters to make them quiet?

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  • Does anyone know what "Red Shot" is for hunters to make them quiet?

    I also asked this on the Horse Care BB, but thought I'd ask here too.

    Last year at Indio I heard that some trainers were giving their hunters a shot called "Red Shot" to make them quiet and it doesn't test. Does anyone know what this is exactly?
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    #2
    I also asked this on the Horse Care BB, but thought I'd ask here too.

    Last year at Indio I heard that some trainers were giving their hunters a shot called "Red Shot" to make them quiet and it doesn't test. Does anyone know what this is exactly?

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    • #3
      ya, thats a little...uh.... sketchy and very un-ok

      ***"There is no secret so close as that between a rider and his horse."***
      ***"The ears never lie."***

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        #4
        First of all... I didn't say I was going to administer anything! I simply wanted to know what it was.

        Second of all... Administering something to make a horse more quiet that is legal isn't cheating! It's no different than lunging a horse for 2-3 hours, or some of the other inhumane things trainers do to quiet a horse such as tying it's head up all night, taking away it's water or feed, giving it Dex, etc.

        You should't be so naive. There's a lot that goes on behind the scenes to make sure your horse is perfect for you when you show that you have no idea about obviously.

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        • #5
          The shot you of thinking of is called HUNTER ROUND... it is generally legal I believe.
          http://community.webshots.com/user/alexxx1008

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          • #6
            Is that the real name or code name [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]
            http://community.webshots.com/user/royalblue106

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            • #7
              That is just what it's called... HUNTER ROUND, but I'm sure there is some other complicated name for it. But the only name I have heard for hunter round is hunter round.
              http://community.webshots.com/user/alexxx1008

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              • #8
                <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Littlebopeep:

                You should't be so naive. There's a lot that goes on behind the scenes to make sure your horse is perfect for you when you show that you have no idea about obviously.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                Are you implying that our horses are drugged to make them go well? excuse me!!!!!!!
                I work hard to get my horses in good condition, thank you! I don't need to have them drugged to be quiet! You also make is sound like we don't know anything about our horses! LIke we just get on and show like little princesses who don't work their own horses! you have no right and no idea! You shouldn't go around saying things about other people and their horses, unless they are nice things!

                ***"There is no secret so close as that between a rider and his horse."***
                ***"The ears never lie."***

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                • #9
                  you preach it PTDeaconHP! you shouldn't have to drug a horse to make them quiet anywayz! CLaire
                  Claire
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                  • #10
                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by goobergurl21:
                    you preach it PTDeaconHP!CLaire<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                    hahaha thanks claire!

                    ***"There is no secret so close as that between a rider and his horse."***
                    ***"The ears never lie."***

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                    • #11
                      Wow, I really don't think she was trying to imply that we here on the boards don't know our horses. Relax, breathe you know, lol.

                      I'd like to believe, and for the most part do believe, the seedy underbelly of the show world is in the minority, but I'm not going to altogether refute that it happens. I've never heard of hunter round before, but I knew people that used to soak that mornings grain in mint tea for the same effect.

                      If she does have a barn that drugs horses, or knows of people that do, well then that's too bad. Or even if she's just speaking in generalizations, well I think that's a little uh....ignorant, but let's just nmot blow this out of proportion.
                      You know, if you took this jello, put it in a mold and froze it, you could be like look....an emerald. Dude, I'd kick some guys ass he ever tried to give me a jello ring.

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                      • #12
                        Woa, chill. I think all LittleboPeep was saying is, yes there is drugging at the horse show, and that most people don't know that their horses are being drugged, if their horses are in fact being drugged. Not to mention the fact that hunter round is legal, and not really considered "drugging".

                        **Bolero**Hampton**Nicolina**
                        http://community.webshots.com/user/alexxx1008

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                        • Original Poster

                          #13
                          I think that some of you are a little quick to jump to conclusions and pass judgment on others without all the facts.

                          I mearly posted a question here to find out some information, not to get a few panties in a wad.

                          NO, our barn does not drug or do inhumane things to our horses to get them to go well. I have, however, strolled down a few isles after hours and seen some pretty heinous things that I referred to. I was merely stating that a lot goes on when no one is around to make horses go well for the clients with or without the clients knowledge.

                          I also do not believe that administering drugs that are legal and in legal doses is cheating. If that were the case, then Regimate for mares, 2 grams of bute for soreness, banamine, Dex, Depro Provera, Ketafin, etc. would all be considered cheating and would be illegal by USAE standards.

                          You shouldn't be so quick to judge people on this board. Isn't this board here for people to ask questions and discuss things? If this is how people are treated on this board for posting questions, I don't think I will be back.

                          Thanks to those of you who answered my questions without harsh words.

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                          • #14
                            For goodness sakes calm down, no where in her post is she accusing you of anything!! And she is right, plenty of people drug their horses and a decent amount don't even know. My last trainer drugged my horse and I didn't know it til I was home from the show. While it was something that won't have showed up on a drug test I was furious. But he had to tell me for me to even know, so IT HAPPENS!!!

                            **Courtney**
                            Jack ~On the Rocks~ PLEASE [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]
                            Momo ~Just My Luck~

                            A woman only needs two animals in her life.. the horse of her dreams and a jackass to pay for it!

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                            • Original Poster

                              #15
                              Thanks, Courtney. Your absolutely right.

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                              • #16
                                If it is given for the purpose of "making the horse more quiet" it is ILLEGAL under the USA Eq rules, regardless of whether or not there is a test for it. Any "mood or behaviour altering substance" is forbidden.
                                Janet

                                chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).

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                                • #17
                                  I have no idea if this is the red shot, however I know of a lot of barns that inject their horses with calcium shots on show days to make them quiet. I've seen the stuff and it looks like a dark orangish red. And yes I used to ride at a barn that took part in a lot of illegal drugging, a top show barn might I add and I'm very glad I am not a part of that anymore. It completely boggled my mind when I switched barns and people weren't injecting their horses tails and using immense amounts of bute and injecting every joint imaginable. I'm sure glad that I got out of that situation!

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                                  • #18
                                    uh, well, we still don't know WHAT the stuff is here. Red Shot or Hunter Round sound like generic "street names" -- what is the active drug/herb/ingredient. Anyone know?

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                                    • #19
                                      Hunter Round is the name of one type of shot, you can ony get it from a certain vet, it is made from *I think* a mix of herbs, it is legal and untestable. Or so I'm told.

                                      ~Christina~
                                      "I don't patronize bunny rabbits!" -Heathers
                                      *Nothing is foolproof to a talented fool.*

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                                      • #20
                                        I will try to find out, but all I know is when you ask the vet for this red shot, you ask for hunter round.

                                        **Bolero**Hampton**Nicolina**
                                        http://community.webshots.com/user/alexxx1008

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