• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.



Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Does anyone know what "Red Shot" is for hunters to make them quiet?

This topic is closed.
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Does anyone know what "Red Shot" is for hunters to make them quiet?

    I also asked this on the Horse Care BB, but thought I'd ask here too.

    Last year at Indio I heard that some trainers were giving their hunters a shot called "Red Shot" to make them quiet and it doesn't test. Does anyone know what this is exactly?
  • Original Poster

    I also asked this on the Horse Care BB, but thought I'd ask here too.

    Last year at Indio I heard that some trainers were giving their hunters a shot called "Red Shot" to make them quiet and it doesn't test. Does anyone know what this is exactly?


    • #3
      ya, thats a little...uh.... sketchy and very un-ok

      ***"There is no secret so close as that between a rider and his horse."***
      ***"The ears never lie."***


      • Original Poster

        First of all... I didn't say I was going to administer anything! I simply wanted to know what it was.

        Second of all... Administering something to make a horse more quiet that is legal isn't cheating! It's no different than lunging a horse for 2-3 hours, or some of the other inhumane things trainers do to quiet a horse such as tying it's head up all night, taking away it's water or feed, giving it Dex, etc.

        You should't be so naive. There's a lot that goes on behind the scenes to make sure your horse is perfect for you when you show that you have no idea about obviously.


        • #5
          The shot you of thinking of is called HUNTER ROUND... it is generally legal I believe.


          • #6
            Is that the real name or code name [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]


            • #7
              That is just what it's called... HUNTER ROUND, but I'm sure there is some other complicated name for it. But the only name I have heard for hunter round is hunter round.


              • #8
                <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Littlebopeep:

                You should't be so naive. There's a lot that goes on behind the scenes to make sure your horse is perfect for you when you show that you have no idea about obviously.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                Are you implying that our horses are drugged to make them go well? excuse me!!!!!!!
                I work hard to get my horses in good condition, thank you! I don't need to have them drugged to be quiet! You also make is sound like we don't know anything about our horses! LIke we just get on and show like little princesses who don't work their own horses! you have no right and no idea! You shouldn't go around saying things about other people and their horses, unless they are nice things!

                ***"There is no secret so close as that between a rider and his horse."***
                ***"The ears never lie."***


                • #9
                  you preach it PTDeaconHP! you shouldn't have to drug a horse to make them quiet anywayz! CLaire
                  \"You can\'t hava da Mango!\"


                  • #10
                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by goobergurl21:
                    you preach it PTDeaconHP!CLaire<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                    hahaha thanks claire!

                    ***"There is no secret so close as that between a rider and his horse."***
                    ***"The ears never lie."***


                    • #11
                      Wow, I really don't think she was trying to imply that we here on the boards don't know our horses. Relax, breathe you know, lol.

                      I'd like to believe, and for the most part do believe, the seedy underbelly of the show world is in the minority, but I'm not going to altogether refute that it happens. I've never heard of hunter round before, but I knew people that used to soak that mornings grain in mint tea for the same effect.

                      If she does have a barn that drugs horses, or knows of people that do, well then that's too bad. Or even if she's just speaking in generalizations, well I think that's a little uh....ignorant, but let's just nmot blow this out of proportion.
                      You know, if you took this jello, put it in a mold and froze it, you could be like look....an emerald. Dude, I'd kick some guys ass he ever tried to give me a jello ring.


                      • #12
                        Woa, chill. I think all LittleboPeep was saying is, yes there is drugging at the horse show, and that most people don't know that their horses are being drugged, if their horses are in fact being drugged. Not to mention the fact that hunter round is legal, and not really considered "drugging".



                        • Original Poster

                          I think that some of you are a little quick to jump to conclusions and pass judgment on others without all the facts.

                          I mearly posted a question here to find out some information, not to get a few panties in a wad.

                          NO, our barn does not drug or do inhumane things to our horses to get them to go well. I have, however, strolled down a few isles after hours and seen some pretty heinous things that I referred to. I was merely stating that a lot goes on when no one is around to make horses go well for the clients with or without the clients knowledge.

                          I also do not believe that administering drugs that are legal and in legal doses is cheating. If that were the case, then Regimate for mares, 2 grams of bute for soreness, banamine, Dex, Depro Provera, Ketafin, etc. would all be considered cheating and would be illegal by USAE standards.

                          You shouldn't be so quick to judge people on this board. Isn't this board here for people to ask questions and discuss things? If this is how people are treated on this board for posting questions, I don't think I will be back.

                          Thanks to those of you who answered my questions without harsh words.


                          • #14
                            For goodness sakes calm down, no where in her post is she accusing you of anything!! And she is right, plenty of people drug their horses and a decent amount don't even know. My last trainer drugged my horse and I didn't know it til I was home from the show. While it was something that won't have showed up on a drug test I was furious. But he had to tell me for me to even know, so IT HAPPENS!!!

                            Jack ~On the Rocks~ PLEASE [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]
                            Momo ~Just My Luck~

                            A woman only needs two animals in her life.. the horse of her dreams and a jackass to pay for it!


                            • Original Poster

                              Thanks, Courtney. Your absolutely right.


                              • #16
                                If it is given for the purpose of "making the horse more quiet" it is ILLEGAL under the USA Eq rules, regardless of whether or not there is a test for it. Any "mood or behaviour altering substance" is forbidden.

                                chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).


                                • #17
                                  I have no idea if this is the red shot, however I know of a lot of barns that inject their horses with calcium shots on show days to make them quiet. I've seen the stuff and it looks like a dark orangish red. And yes I used to ride at a barn that took part in a lot of illegal drugging, a top show barn might I add and I'm very glad I am not a part of that anymore. It completely boggled my mind when I switched barns and people weren't injecting their horses tails and using immense amounts of bute and injecting every joint imaginable. I'm sure glad that I got out of that situation!


                                  • #18
                                    uh, well, we still don't know WHAT the stuff is here. Red Shot or Hunter Round sound like generic "street names" -- what is the active drug/herb/ingredient. Anyone know?


                                    • #19
                                      Hunter Round is the name of one type of shot, you can ony get it from a certain vet, it is made from *I think* a mix of herbs, it is legal and untestable. Or so I'm told.

                                      "I don't patronize bunny rabbits!" -Heathers
                                      *Nothing is foolproof to a talented fool.*


                                      • #20
                                        I will try to find out, but all I know is when you ask the vet for this red shot, you ask for hunter round.