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  • Latest NGB Developments!!

    Have you heard the latest? Remember the sealed envelope the USOC was holding in case our powers that be couldn't sort out the NGB issue?

    Apparently the envelope has been opened, and the decree is that the current heads of USET and USAE must resign and let in some fresh blood to sort things out. I heard it from a friend, and it was also mentioned by KK on Towerheads (in the forums, which are open to all).

    Very interesting. Hopefully this will finally result in some progress.
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    Have you heard the latest? Remember the sealed envelope the USOC was holding in case our powers that be couldn't sort out the NGB issue?

    Apparently the envelope has been opened, and the decree is that the current heads of USET and USAE must resign and let in some fresh blood to sort things out. I heard it from a friend, and it was also mentioned by KK on Towerheads (in the forums, which are open to all).

    Very interesting. Hopefully this will finally result in some progress.

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    • #3
      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> ..."let in some fresh blood..." <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
      This sounds more like a blood-letting! As you said, MHM, if this comes to pass, it could be interesting. But, ignorant as I am, I don't see how the USOC could force such an issue.

      Could they? [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif[/img]

      I read recipes the same way I read science fiction. I get to the end and think to myself, "Yeah, right. That just ain't gonna happen."

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        #4
        I don't know all the details yet. Let's say it's probably a safe bet that the phone lines are burning up with conference calls this weekend, and some of the calls may just possibly include a few members of the legal profession.

        JMO. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

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        • #5
          THIS going to cost us????????? [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif[/img]

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          • #6
            My question exactly - and WHAT NEW BLOOD is there?? We are pretty firmly entrenched in the two camps - and, I for one, am unabashedly in favor of the USA Eq, and the DIVERSE, strong, committed and ETHICAL group of people now in place.

            Will report when I find out more.

            Just a lookin' fer a Glebe...
            co-author of 101 Jumping Exercises & The Rider's Fitness Program; Soon to come: Dead Ringer - a tale of equine mystery and intrique! Former Moderator!

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            • #7
              Then I vote that all the sane horse people who care IMMEDIATELY vote Alan Balch and the Executive Board back into action.

              Oh how deep the corruption of USOC goes.

              Would just LOVE to know which of them have been paid off.

              And if this sounds harsh--it is not nearly harsh enough.

              Intemperate: yes.

              Unobliging: definitely.

              Harsh: No.

              NOT NEARLY HARSH ENOUGH.

              And as no one in any of the organizations can say any of this--Im saying it.

              USOC. An organization that has corruption running right through it.

              cheers to all.
              one oak, lots of canyons

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              • #8
                Speaking of which - the July meeting of the USA Eq Board (remember last July - it was online?) will be on the second Tuesday of the month (11th, I think) in Lexington, KY.

                Who else will be there??

                Just a lookin' fer a Glebe...
                co-author of 101 Jumping Exercises & The Rider's Fitness Program; Soon to come: Dead Ringer - a tale of equine mystery and intrique! Former Moderator!

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                • #9
                  Let's wait until we get some details so we can evaluate it properly.

                  If the part about changing the leadership is true, remember that Alan Balch offered as part of the proposed compromise not run for the leadership of the new organization, if Armand Leone would do the same. Leone and the USET refused that offer.

                  OK, I just read the Towerheads thing. I can be pretty sure that, whatever the hearing committee said, nothing is going to be done "immediately." Under the Ted Stevens Amateur Sports Act and the USOC Constitution, either or both parties have the absolute right to challenge any decision in arbitration. Nothing is final until either (a) the parties decide not to pursue arbitration or (b) if they do pursue arbitration, the arbitrators issue their final award. (And then even that final award is subject to review by the federal courts on limited grounds.)

                  Also, we don't know whether whatever the Hearing Committee ordered is considered the final ruling of the USOC, or whether the USOC Board of Directors has to take some action to confirm the Hearing Committee opinion. If it is the latter, then until the USOC Board of Directors acts, the Hearing Committee opinion does not have any binding effect.

                  Finally, it would be the height of stupidity for the USOC to order the entire Executive Committees of both orgs to resign immediately. Talk about leaving a power vacuum! Telling two or three people to get lost is one thing, but telling everybody to go so that nobody is left in charge? Nope, I don't believe it.

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                  [This message was edited by Portia on Jun. 09, 2002 at 08:50 PM.]
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                  • #10
                    According to the USOC Constitution and ByLaws it can only do one of four things with respect to the challenge by the USET to the AHSA/USAEq status as NGB. This is a reiteration of what was said in previous threads as well as my interpretation of the USOC Constitution and ByLaws.

                    (1)Confirm the USAEq as NGB and reject the challenge.

                    (2)Uphold the challenge and declare the USET the NGB.

                    (3)Place the USAEq on probation for 180 days to allow them to fix the deficiencies raised in the challenge.

                    (4)Declare a vacancy, in which case neither the USAEq or USET would be the NGB. Any qualified organization could then apply to become the NGB.

                    A directive to the leaders of both organizations to get lost (resign) does not fit into any of the four alternatives above (unless included as an editorial comment to one of them). The USOC would not be following its own rules and would itself be the target of a legal challenge by either or both parties.

                    Only the lawyers will get rich [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif[/img]
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                    But all the finest horsemen out—the men to Beat the Band—
                    You’ll find amongst the crowd that ride their races in the Stand

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                    • #11
                      By statute, the USOC has four choices of what it has the authority to order: "a," "b," "c," or "d."

                      There is no "e, none of the above."

                      But, I've now read the order, and that is exactly what the Hearing Committee has purported to do. More information:

                      The finding and recommendation of the Hearing Committee was that neither organization meets all of the requirements for being the NGB and they have effectively shared the duties between them, with the USET handling the elite and USAEq handling the grassroots. It also found that neither org alone was or is qualified to be the NGB by itself.

                      It then decided that what the situation really presents is not a Challenge under one section of the Amateur Sports Act and USOC Constituion (which is what the USET filed), but instead, it's really a Complaint under a different section of the ASA and USOC Constitution that deals with an NGB not fulfilling its responsibilities. (I don't have the ASA in front of me to give you the cites, sorry.)

                      Having decided that the whole proceeding is a different animal from what everyone thought it was, the hearing committee then found that both organizations should be put on probation for 180 days and that during that period, the two organizations must merge or consolidate their functions so that one org does everything, or the USOC will declare a vacancy in the NGB position.

                      They also found that the ill-feelings between the leaderships of the organization have exacerbated the problems between the orgs, so Balch, Leone, and Lloyd must be removed from their positions and may not have any position in the governance of the sport for at least 6 years.

                      To me, that pretty much looks like they chose "e, none of the above."

                      It will be interesting to see how the parties react.

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                      "I hold it that a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing..." Thomas Jefferson
                      "I don't want to sound like a broken record here, but why is it that a woman will forgive homicidal behavior in a horse, yet be highly critical of a man for leaving the toilet seat up?" Dave Barry

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                      • #12
                        Thank you, Portia, for that explanation.

                        It would appear to me that the USOC, in its quasi-judicial function, has just screwed up royally from a procedural perspective.

                        Without even considering the merits of the case what was filed by the USET was a challenge. Procedurally the USOC should deal with just that. If the USOC believes that the situation merits only a complaint, then the USOC should reject the challenge and tell the USET to file a complaint.

                        In my speed reading of the USOC Constitution or ByLaws I don't see anywhere the authority for the USOC to tell anybody to resign or to dismiss entire executive boards. That is, unless those individuals have violated the USOC's Code of Ethics.

                        In the past the USOC strongly encouraged the cohabitation arrangement between the USET and AHSA even though it violated the intent of the Ted Stevens Amateur Sports Act.

                        Lawyers, line up from the left. This gravy train is good for a long long time.
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                        But all the finest horsemen out—the men to Beat the Band—
                        You’ll find amongst the crowd that ride their races in the Stand

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                        • #13
                          I don't suppose it would ever occur to anyone to apply solution "f": stop worrying about how the sport in all of its manifestations has to drag itself through knotholes to comply with a set of rules that seem to exist only for the purpose of stuffing horse sports into some one size fits all Olympic mold by: *HORRORS!* not sending teams to the Olympics?

                          Goodbye USOC, Goodby Ted Stevens Act, goodbye a lot of wierd and barely applicable rider drug use rules (Beta-blockers? Albuterol? some of us getting up in years can't live without 'em) and then we could get along with regulating the sport for the vast majority of the folks that engage in it. There'd still be the World Cup and Pan Am games.

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                          • #14
                            goes, I'll be happy to step in and put my 17 years of accounting experience on the line! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img] If nothing else, I would at least be able to keep memberships informed about how $$$ is being spent and future budget predictions! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]
                            Bethe Mounce
                            Head Trainer, AmeriCan Romance Equestrian
                            https://www.facebook.com/AmericanRomanceEquestrian
                            Brentwood CA

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                            • #15
                              If nothing else, it would be great to know what percentage of our membership fee is being funnelled towards the legal expense of being unable to resolve this mess after....how many years has it been??? [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif[/img]

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                              • #16
                                USOC seems to be lean on integrity but overflowing with hubris
                                Nothing says "I love you" like a tractor. (Clydejumper)

                                The reports states, “Elizabeth reported that she accidently put down this pony, ........, at the show.”

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                                • #17
                                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JustJump:
                                  If nothing else, it would be great to know what percentage of our membership fee is being funnelled towards the legal expense of being unable to resolve this mess after....how many years has it been??? [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif[/img]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                  Hmmmmmmm......no telling how much has been spent on legal fees on both sides.......would be nice to know.
                                  Bethe Mounce
                                  Head Trainer, AmeriCan Romance Equestrian
                                  https://www.facebook.com/AmericanRomanceEquestrian
                                  Brentwood CA

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                                  • #18
                                    Here's a link to Nancy Jaffer's article on it, on Equisearch

                                    Jaffer -- USOC Decision article

                                    ******
                                    "I hold it that a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing..." Thomas Jefferson
                                    "I don't want to sound like a broken record here, but why is it that a woman will forgive homicidal behavior in a horse, yet be highly critical of a man for leaving the toilet seat up?" Dave Barry

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                                    • #19
                                      I can find no argument with that statement...

                                      But I confess I am just blown away by that decision! And here I thought a general lack of business sense was, ummm, "not uncommon" in just the horse industry. Now I am left wondering if this trait is peculiar to the sporting world in general?

                                      I mean in what scenario in the real world can you see a governing body "approving" (for lack of a better term) a merger/consolidation, with the requirement that the leadership from both companies step down before the merger/new structure is completed (or even started)?????? Can you honestly see the shareholders of EITHER such companies standing by for this if we were talking about the Real World? Can you see any positive return on shareholder dollar? Or is it just chaos and anarchy that leaps to mind?

                                      I find this decision especially troubling when the (almost) mutually agree upon discussion put on the table by the parties in question DID require that both leaders not run for re-election the next time. That time being presumably after some general operating structure was in place so a new person had something better than a snowball's chance in hell of success. Even then, it wasn't going to be an easy task.

                                      Yeesh. A decision that neither organization liked, but was a suitable compromise for the good of the sport is one thing. Point Blank Stupidity is something else, altogether.

                                      Methinks the USOC is engineering a way to get horse sports out of the Olympics, or it least if you can't get rid of all those pesky Europeans who actually LIKE the stuff, they won't have to bother with a home team. OK, that was sarcasm. I don't think that they are plotting that, but they could very well achieve that end. Or maybe it's just that the USOC isn't clever enough to know how to achieve this end, but managed to stumble on to it anyway. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]


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                                      • #20
                                        Is the recommendation/order/decision by the USOC available online?
                                        Nothing says "I love you" like a tractor. (Clydejumper)

                                        The reports states, “Elizabeth reported that she accidently put down this pony, ........, at the show.”

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