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Hey LI-ers!! Got any thoughts on the recent change in the LIHSAA point system?

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  • #21
    I agree and also disagree with a number of points made above. Wish I had the time to go into detail at the moment, but I don't. For Long Islanders: Come to the LI PHA meeting March 5th (I think that's the date) and express yourselves. As a member of the LI High Score Awards Assn. committee I do have to say that this change was not "underhanded," in my opionion. Ponypulr explained the situation accurately. More later... when I have more time.


    • #22
      Where are the LI PHA meetings held?


      • #23
        Country Kitchen restaurant in Smithtown. Usually the first monday in the month, 7:30. Anyone reading this from L.I. time to be heard.
        \"Disaster is the only thing that I can depend on\"-
        Stevie Nicks


        • #24
          I'm sorry but I have to agree with the "underhanded" way this was handled. I was at the LIPHA meeting when this was brought up by a member of the LIHSAA. It got a very negative reponse then and at a later meeting. I also know that the subject was discussed at a LIHSAA meeting and voted down. The meeting that it passed only had 5 members present how is that a fair majority of the whole committee?? I have spoken to several members of the LIHSAA who didn't even know there had been a meeting and were upset not to have been notified.


          • #25
            Did this rule change take place after the start of the new LIHSAA show year?


            • #26
              After reading all of the above comments, I have to concur with Gold Dust (2/21 3:13 p.m.). It is said best right in that comment. Many of us show on LI all year and all our points should be counted, not lost. The rules should not be changed to accommodte the select few who show off-Island in the winter (Florida, etc.) and come here for the summer shows and say goodbye in the fall to show somewhere else! Most of us stick it out in cold weather and in hot weather, snow or rain, all year long. LIHSAA should be for Long Islanders. Horseshowing is hard work. A lot of time and effort and training (blood, sweat and tears) goes into it (just ask my trainer).

              Also, how may committee members are there? Was the 4-1 vote a fair representation of the views held by all the committee members? (4-1 says "no.") I think the vote would have been closer if all the members were present to vote.

              And, since this was voted in after the 2001 season began, is it fair to institute it now, or wait until next year (maybe) if this issue ever gets hammered out?


              • #27
                I am so glad to see so much interest in this thread


                • Original Poster

                  Yes, the vote was taken after Dec. 1st, 2000, which is the start of the new horse show year.

                  As far as I can tell, there are 13 members of LIHSAA.
                  \"I can\'t drive....55!!!!\" Sammy Hagar


                  • #29
                    Another very good point. Being the 2001 season had already started I do not understand how something could be taken to a vote and come into effect for this year. As we all know it was turned down the year prior so it seems to me the proper thing to do is bring it up for discussion again with much more then 5 committee members and openly avilable for all to give their views. I was also at the meeting where all the charts were shown. Still it did not get a good response so that should have been a clue majority was not in favor. Knowing this was an issue with a big impact the 'general public' should have been told. it was being put to a vote.
                    \"Disaster is the only thing that I can depend on\"-
                    Stevie Nicks


                    • #30
                      ...60 horse shows is quite alot...I know of several end of year hi-point award winners (not just on LI) who were never quite the same soundness-wise after being pounded while chasing after all those zillions of points. There will always be someone who is not happy with whatever system is in place...Those left in the dust by the point chasers will complain if all the shows count, those who would happily attend every last show on the schedule no matter what will complain if all of them aren't counted...But it is important that changes be made in an orderly manner and that concerned parties be given sufficient notice to make comments, and that changes be instituted at a time of year that makes sense...anyway, what are some compromise solutions that would allow a good horseman to save a good horse, allow for the selection of shows based on what they have to offer the exhibitor aside from points, yet reward those whose goals include achieving an end of year title? Any ideas???
                      Inner Bay Equestrian


                      • #31
                        I do not believe that anyone did 60 shows this year!My horses usually do no more than 25 to 30 for he whole year.If an exhibitor did do 60 that is their choice isn't it?Most of us(LONG ISLANDERS)Give time off through out the season.I promise you that what most Eq horses do in order for their riders qualified is less than what the majority of Long Islanders do each year.Th ebig issue here isn't so much about how many shows anyone did but about how this was done.


                        • #32
                          name of Toucher, barn name Teddy. He is a 16.2 hand dark bay with a huge blaze. Very leggy, 2 front splints, would be 6 yrs old now. He was at our barn for a year after coming off the track and was one of our favorites, last we knew he was sent to Long Island. He was at the Gold Coast Eques. Center for a very short time around August than was moved to a barn in Westbury. If anyone knows how he is doing we just want to see if he is ok. Please email me at ILUVROYALBLUE@CS.COM


                          • #33
                            I really don't have an opinion at this point, since I haven't spoken to all that many people about this in details to get the facts (I just learned more reading this thread). I'll ask around and post on this over the weekend.

                            I do have a question though -- what happened to the LIHSAA website? It "disappeared" late last year. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif[/img]
                            "fighting stupidity; one step at a time" -- a wise COTHer


                            • #34
                              Dear Jane,
                              Your question is on the lips of everyone who shows on LOng Island!!! We all want to know why there is no website anymore!!!After so many questions and no answers I can only surmise that there is some sort of problem that "we the interested parties" aren't privy to. Maybe at the March 5 th meeting that and other questions can be answered.


                              • #35
                                I believe we are way off the issue on that point. First of all 60 shows is not a number I think anyone has done. Second of all I take it as an insult as a trainer that points would mean more to me then the welfare of my horse. The horse I had most chase points were trying to qualify for zones and did show twice a week and never jumped at home. Jumping twice a week in your opinion is too much? This can not and should not be one of the reasons to install the 20 horse show rule for we all know it would not work in this matter. People will show with the attitude I have to be champion 20 times and we all know in reality how hard that is. PLEASE-20 horse show rule will not stop the point chasers.
                                \"Disaster is the only thing that I can depend on\"-
                                Stevie Nicks


                                • #36
                                  I was just told via phone by the PRES> of the LIHSAA that there will be an open meeting of the LIHSAA at 6:30 pm March5 at the country kitchen in Smithtown ny.That is one hour before the usual LIPHA meeting!Please ya'll come


                                  • #37
                                    At present there are 14 people on the board - there is feeling that we should add a few trainers also. now it is mainly horse show people


                                    • #38
                                      Without a doubt this has been my feeling for quite some time now. L.I. needs to be represented by all not just horse show managers. All inputs would make the committee have a more objective opinion. The present committee is outdated and the concerns of all should be taken within any organization.
                                      \"Disaster is the only thing that I can depend on\"-
                                      Stevie Nicks


                                      • #39
                                        Has anyone done the math on the 60 horse show deal? Check this out - 1 horse, 1 trainer, trailer and braiding - here goes:

                                        60 horse shows div. by 12 = 5 shows per month.

                                        Expenses for 1 show:

                                        Entry fees (average) $125.
                                        Trainer fees 50.
                                        Trailering fees 50.
                                        Braiding (optional) 25.

                                        Total $250 x 5 show per month = $1,250/month

                                        $1,250 per month x 12 months = $15,000.

                                        That's staggering!!!

                                        I have no desire to pound away and "chase points" as the saying goes. I think I'll just stick to a series (10 shows or less) and hope for the best!!


                                        • #40
                                          In response to above posts: Yes, trainers, owners, riders (pros, amateurs and juniors), show managers and any other individuals interested in the state of horse showing on Long Island SHOULD be involved. Well then, why not JOIN the Long Island PHA, why not ATTEND the monthly meetings?

                                          [This message was edited by Laura Reed on Feb. 22, 2001 at 08:55 PM.]