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    I have just judged another horse show.I judged the jumper equitation ring ... .Only the mini eq filled but I must say I am appalled!When I tested few knew how to execute an half turn on the forehand and worse yet ... NO one knew where the COFFIN BONE WAS!!!
    I am now making this a type of mission ... I am going to document when I test what these kids know ....
    Anyone out there experiencing the same problems???
    Brilyntrip
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    I have just judged another horse show.I judged the jumper equitation ring ... .Only the mini eq filled but I must say I am appalled!When I tested few knew how to execute an half turn on the forehand and worse yet ... NO one knew where the COFFIN BONE WAS!!!
    I am now making this a type of mission ... I am going to document when I test what these kids know ....
    Anyone out there experiencing the same problems???
    Brilyntrip

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    • #3
      What show did you judge?

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        I don't know where the coffin bone is. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img] I know, bad Erin.

        ~Erin
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        • #5
          i only know where it is b/c Wesley used to have coffin joint injections!

          ~Christina~
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            Darling girl when you ride does anyone teach you about what you are riding around on???
            Brilyntrip

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            • #7
              This might make you cry - it almost made me.

              I was working at a lesson barn a few years ago; one of my jobs was to watch the lesson kids as they were getting ready for shows. Before one "big" local show, they were cleaning bridles without taking them apart. I told them to take them apart and really scrub them, to which someone replied, "But how will we know how to put them back together?!" They couldn't even put the noseband back on if I took it off.. ack!
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              • #8
                really need to learn this stuff at least to talk to the vet.
                Ignorance is not restricted to the show ring. Bet half those kids couldn't name the president. Of the United States. Even in my barn the stuff is repeatedly taught but it's in one ear out the other.
                Since this was a mini medal not a big one maybe the turn on the haunches was a bit over their heads. Maybe stick to a trot fence and a roll back, drop stirrups to exit. Don't you just hate it when you lose your winner this way?
                You really can't solve this one nor can the trainers. It is a parent thing. Kids have always wanted everything on a silver platter without lifting a finger-parents foster this crap by not teaching anything resembling a work ethic.
                Don't take it personally.

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                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Darling girl when you ride does anyone teach you about what you are riding around on??? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                  Well... in a word, no. I even starting riding at a pony club-type barn. They DID teach me about tacking up and grooming during the first lesson. However, everyone there was always in a rush (large barn) so it's not like they sat me down one day and said, "Erin, this is a coffin bone." (by the way, now would be a good time to learn... where is the coffin bone?)
                  It was the same with wrapping- always easier to do it for you than teach you how. We didn't have grooms! But whoever was around that knew how to do something figured it was easier to do it themselves.

                  When I moved my horses home I did have to learn all that stuff, but my knowledge now is still kind of erratic. I know what I NEED to know, but that's it. I'm still not too familar with horse anatomy. However to be quite honest, I don't think there's many barns that teach that. At least, I've never been to one. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif[/img]

                  ~Erin
                  Be alert. The world needs more lerts.
                  Erin B #1
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                  • #10
                    I've always been thoroughly disappointed in the ignorance of some riders...thoroughly disappointed. Another thing about it that I hate is that their ignorance automatically gets thrown back in the faces of the knowledgable with questions similar to: "Don't these kids take the time to learn these things??" "In our day..." I understand why people become upset with the ignorance of some of today's riders, because I feel the same way.

                    I was fortunate enough to be a "barn rat." I have spent the greater part of my free time at the barn since I was about 8 or 9 years old. Now I'm 18. I certainly don't know everything there is to know about horses, but I can honestly say that I know more than a lot of riders my age that I have encountered. I spent so many hours with the vets, farriers, and my trainer, that I aquired a lot of useful knowledge and experiences. I've been in all sorts of medical emergencies...helped nurse horses back to health after sickness and injury...all the things I wish everyone could experience. Part of my appreciation for these animals and for the sport in general comes with everything I have seen and done.

                    The truth of the matter is that not every kid has the time or perhaps the dedication to be at the barn all the time. There are kids whose parents won't allow it (my father was/is one of them...not that I ever listened), and there are also kids whose trainers, etc. don't take the time to teach such things.

                    I always took pride in what I knew, and took the initiative to learn the things I didn't. I never want to be caught with my head in the sand and my @$$ in the air when something happens to a horse...and I would certainly be embarassed if I could not answer a simple horse-wise question. I would personally like to see more horsemanship testing, like what is done at New England Finals..I think that is great. Maybe then more riders would take the initiative to learn more about their horses...

                    ~~Kate~~

                    "I love to get home after a long day and go to sleep late. I love to wake up before the sun. I love to spend the day in the sun, with it's rays warming my skin. I love the mist of the cold hose. I love not being able to feel my fingers and toes in the winter. I love to stand on the hill, letting a friend graze in a warm wind. I love the smell of that wonderful place...I live to ride, and I ride to live."
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                    • #11
                      I do ask my vet a lot of things! However, the location of the coffin bone never came up in our discussion. I am not ignorant, I know perfectly well how to care for a horse and I have done a lot of research on my own. But honestly it never occured to me to ask. Learning about Banamine seemed a little more important.

                      It's NOT just me, by the way. Lots of trainers probably don't know this, either.

                      ~Erin
                      Be alert. The world needs more lerts.
                      Erin B #1
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                        I purposely did not ask for turn on the haunch
                        knowing that would certainly be too difficult.I assumed ( you all know about assume right ) that a turn on the FOREHAND would not be too much ??? I also aske dthe following questions?? If the trot is a two beat gait how many beats is the handgallop??Where is the Coffin bone???Well I am on my crusade now . I will no longer make up easy tests.I will ask something difficult each time I have the oppurtunity. This is something like the crusade I went on after I judged a show where the Maclay course was 2'6". Short stirrup riders were the fillesr . I asked the steward if this was really going to happen?? His reply was well lets ask the show manager course designer.Th reply to us was well the course "looks about 3'6" to me".Ok so I called the head of AHSA eq committe the next day about making sure the sentence saying COURSE SET AT ABOUT 3'6" was tightened up. I still think its too lose . But I tried!
                        Brilyntrip

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                        • #13
                          Go to Yahoo (or any other search engine) and do a search for anything you have questions about. There are tons of great books out about the various bones, muscles, etc. Also, I have a great book all about feet...if I knew the name, I would tell ya, but I can't remember it!

                          I would tell ya the answer....but what's the fun in that? lol...good luck, if you don't find the answer you are looking for, drop me an email.

                          ~~Kate~~

                          "I love to get home after a long day and go to sleep late. I love to wake up before the sun. I love to spend the day in the sun, with it's rays warming my skin. I love the mist of the cold hose. I love not being able to feel my fingers and toes in the winter. I love to stand on the hill, letting a friend graze in a warm wind. I love the smell of that wonderful place...I live to ride, and I ride to live."
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                            This is probably cheating, but...
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                              and I have another great book on all the stuff in the legs and various lamenesses associated with feet and legs...if only I knew the title...

                              "I love to get home after a long day and go to sleep late. I love to wake up before the sun. I love to spend the day in the sun, with it's rays warming my skin. I love the mist of the cold hose. I love not being able to feel my fingers and toes in the winter. I love to stand on the hill, letting a friend graze in a warm wind. I love the smell of that wonderful place...I live to ride, and I ride to live."
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                              • #16
                                I believe, many trainers today are producing little machines on horses. A little robot on a horse is not a bright future in this sport.Step off the horse, and they have no idea how anything works. Sad. The day and age of grooms-also sad for so many.Grooms should just make things a little easier for you, not do EVERYTHING. Look ahead people- it is a sad future I see for our horses. The last few horsemen around better pass the torch! It should not be in any ones thinking that it is easier to do it myself-TEACH IT!

                                Sorry Erin. I feel it is sad you feel you need to know what banamine is and did not know where the coffin bone is. You really have to know all parts of the horse and how they work and why they can shut down-then learn what can help them and not mask the problem. Everyone could be a much better rider if they knew what was bothering the horse.
                                \"Disaster is the only thing that I can depend on\"-
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                                  I know where the coffin bone is, & the navicular bone too! Cuz both ponies had Navicular issues, and the eq horse is on 6 months rest due to his Coffin bone(AKA Pedel bone) issue...Pedelostitis, an inflammation of the coffin bone...Really annoying & traumatic for not just horse but owner [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]

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                                    Trip: I remember a few years ago Steve asked one of his kids during a lesson where the poll was, and the kid pointed to the poles on the ground. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif[/img] You should've seen Steve's face! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

                                    This is a problem that exists beyond the local shows... I recall reading an article in the COTH a year or two ago, by either GM or VHV, after he judged one of the top eq. class at a big indoor, and his disbelieve in what the top riders couldn't answer....one question was (paraphrasing here): "how can you tell if a horse is colicing?" answer: "hmm...call my vet?"
                                    "fighting stupidity; one step at a time" -- a wise COTHer

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                                    • #19
                                      Well, does it make it any better that I've only been riding for a few years?

                                      I was just saying that I don't know where the coffin bone is. I'm hardly a machine on a horse. I've never had a groom, I work at the barn to help pay off my board, I mix my own feed. Just because I didn't know where the coffin bone was doesn't mean I'm some primadonna who can't take care of a horse. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img] And the Banamine incident was awhile back- everyone has to learn sometime, you aren't born knowing what Banamine is.

                                      ~Erin
                                      Be alert. The world needs more lerts.
                                      Erin B #1
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                                        Good for you! I do the 2'6" Medal on my curcuit and I hate when they give us simple hunter courses, or maybe throw in a single or two, and say it's a Medal course! We practice loops and bendings and all that good stuff at home, so I like to put it to the test at shows [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

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