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  • Tad Coffins-- Do they really fit everything?

    You know the claim and the set of pads Tad sells to make one tree fit all.

    Down in the saddling trenches, have you discovered a type of back these saddles won't fit?

    I have an aging warmblood. He has "well-sprung" ribs, but his back is beginning to drop and he's losing muscle along his top line. I'm hoping to fix some of that. But after an early life with "mutton withers," this horse is now getting more narrow and conventionally shaped up top. But, he has some "shark withers" now, and I'm worried about a very flat saddle like a Tad Coffin stilling up hill on him.

    Anyone had success putting these saddles on backs like my horse's?

    Thanks,

    -mvp
    The armchair saddler
    Politically Pro-Cat

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    I would do a search, there have been many, many recent threads addressing this issue. Here are two...

    http://www.chronicleforums.com/Forum...ghlight=coffin

    http://www.chronicleforums.com/Forum...ghlight=coffin

    Your horse sounds like one of many types that would benefit from a wool flocked saddle that could be adjusted and filled in/out based on his back conformation.
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    • #3
      In a word, no. Listen to vxf111. I tried, my horse said no, I got tired of using a lift back pad and watching his withers get sore. I bought a County that fits me and my horse, which can also be reflocked as he changes or ages.
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      • #4
        I am a Happy Tad Coffin Owner.... but I have to say that NO saddle fits every horse.... It just isn't possible. And from what you describe I don't think a Tad would fit your guy. I would look at something wool flocked as well that could be more easily adjusted. I say take back tracings... go to an independant saddle fitter and then go from there.

        Good luck.
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        • #5
          I really love my Tad. It's such a fantastic saddle and fits both my SUPER wide horses like a glove.

          But I've got to agree from the way you described your horses back I'm not sure it would be a good match for you. I could see it bridging on horse like that. Do you have a saddle fitter in your area that could come out and give you some tips?

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            #6
            Thanks Y'all

            Dear Taddies and others,

            Thanks for your quick and candid replies. You have helped me save considerable time and money considering yet one more saddling option for my center-of-the-universe horse.

            vxf111- the links to other threads and lots of opinions/saddling situations was really helpful. The combo horse I have--including the wide shoulders I didn't mention-- probably won't be helped but also not hurt by these comparatively straight-flapped CC saddles.

            You all are right about the value of a wool-flocked saddle for someone in my situation. I'm glad Tad has built such a beautiful (if delicate) saddle, and also that he believes in them. When Tad sent me a demo long ago-- during my gelding's mutton withered stage-- he was very nice, but the saddle absolutely was not wide enough.

            Thanks again,

            -mvp
            The armchair saddler
            Politically Pro-Cat

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            • #7
              Originally posted by horse-loverz View Post
              I am a Happy Tad Coffin Owner.... but I have to say that NO saddle fits every horse.... It just isn't possible. And from what you describe I don't think a Tad would fit your guy. I would look at something wool flocked as well that could be more easily adjusted. I say take back tracings... go to an independant saddle fitter and then go from there.

              Good luck.
              Amen. I rode in a Tad Coffin for months. Generally speaking she fits it on a lot of horses but there are a couple horses of mix breeding that just don't fit it and she goes back to a couple saddles she has.

              I think it's a ridiculous statement to make from a saddle make company that one saddle will fit all. In my books, there is just no such thing. As the above post, wool filled saddles tend to be more fitting and adjust more comfortable than foam. They cost more but they also last longer and are easier to get filled again when the time comes.
              Would you be able to get a fitter out to your area? There are some saddles brands out there that have a few more options and can sometimes be re-adjusted. If a fitter were to come out, they trace and look at what saddles on the market can give you those options.

              Good Luck

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              • #8
                Originally posted by CacheDawnTaxes View Post
                (snip) wool filled saddles tend to be more fitting and adjust more comfortable than foam. They cost more but they also last longer and are easier to get filled again when the time comes.

                Could you please provide some evidence for the above statements?

                They are not true in my experience, but if you have any objective proof to offer I'd love to see it.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by CacheDawnTaxes View Post
                  As the above post, wool filled saddles tend to be more fitting and adjust more comfortable than foam. They cost more but they also last longer and are easier to get filled again when the time comes.
                  I disagree about the cost factor. If anything, many wool flocked saddles are less expensive than those with foam panels, except in the case of custom French saddles where foam is standard and they charge a little more to order with wool flocking.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Lucassb View Post
                    Could you please provide some evidence for the above statements?

                    They are not true in my experience, but if you have any objective proof to offer I'd love to see it.
                    No I do not have the "evidence" (didn't realize you were the forum police). I was convinced wool was indeed more expensive. Tho they were not official publications, I did attempt looking this information up, and YOU are correct, foam is indeed more expensive.
                    I did mix up the 2 tho I'm sure if I asked you were what the drip rate is- for Midadolam and versed in the unconscious intubated patient, you would also attempt what your best answer in which case I wouldn't be jumping on your back for giving it a go

                    Cheers

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by mvp View Post
                      Dear Taddies and others,

                      Thanks for your quick and candid replies. You have helped me save considerable time and money considering yet one more saddling option for my center-of-the-universe horse.

                      vxf111- the links to other threads and lots of opinions/saddling situations was really helpful. The combo horse I have--including the wide shoulders I didn't mention-- probably won't be helped but also not hurt by these comparatively straight-flapped CC saddles.

                      You all are right about the value of a wool-flocked saddle for someone in my situation. I'm glad Tad has built such a beautiful (if delicate) saddle, and also that he believes in them. When Tad sent me a demo long ago-- during my gelding's mutton withered stage-- he was very nice, but the saddle absolutely was not wide enough.

                      Thanks again,

                      -mvp
                      My horse, who sounds like he is built just like your horse, is morphing in a similar way. He was off a year with an injury and then brought back slowly for another year. He never regained the same definition in his back and he's 16 now. I also had to change saddles. Let us know what you end up with!
                      Last edited by chawley; Feb. 19, 2009, 03:48 PM.

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                      • #12
                        I have a very similar type of horse, and he is currently doing great in a Nexus Jump from Balance International. I like that the pad system from them lets me make minor small adjustments day to day, and that the shims come in a lot of different thicknesses. The saddles are available in a regular and a wide fit, and I've been really happy with mine.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by CacheDawnTaxes View Post
                          No I do not have the "evidence" (didn't realize you were the forum police). I was convinced wool was indeed more expensive. Tho they were not official publications, I did attempt looking this information up, and YOU are correct, foam is indeed more expensive.

                          Cheers
                          Actually I think BAC corrected the cost info.

                          My question was actually relative to your statement about "wool filled saddles tend to be more fitting and adjust more comfortable than foam," which makes no sense to me.

                          A quality closed cell foam is designed to immediately conform to the shape of the back it is placed on, every time it is used. In contrast, wool can be shaped to accommodate a particular back - but then must be re-shaped if that back changes. The superior adjustability of foam is the primary reason why the high end french saddle manufacturers choose that material rather than wool, which made me curious about your statement.

                          I did mix up the 2 tho I'm sure if I asked you were what the drip rate is- for Midadolam and versed in the unconscious intubated patient, you would also attempt what your best answer in which case I wouldn't be jumping on your back for giving it a go
                          Not sure what this has to do with the price of tea in China, but I really wouldn't attempt it since I am not clinically trained in sedation procedures. If I had an opinion - preferring, say, benzodiazepine or propofol rather than versed - I would also state it as an opinion, not as a fact.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Lucassb View Post
                            Actually I think BAC corrected the cost info.

                            My question was actually relative to your statement about "wool filled saddles tend to be more fitting and adjust more comfortable than foam," which makes no sense to me.

                            A quality closed cell foam is designed to immediately conform to the shape of the back it is placed on, every time it is used. In contrast, wool can be shaped to accommodate a particular back - but then must be re-shaped if that back changes. The superior adjustability of foam is the primary reason why the high end french saddle manufacturers choose that material rather than wool, which made me curious about your statement.



                            Not sure what this has to do with the price of tea in China, but I really wouldn't attempt it since I am not clinically trained in sedation procedures. If I had an opinion - preferring, say, benzodiazepine or propofol rather than versed - I would also state it as an opinion, not as a fact.


                            It's not a question of who is right or who is wrong, by any means I would hope for a correction! It's the way it was made.
                            Cheers

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by CacheDawnTaxes View Post
                              No I do not have the "evidence" (didn't realize you were the forum police). I was convinced wool was indeed more expensive. Tho they were not official publications, I did attempt looking this information up, and YOU are correct, foam is indeed more expensive.
                              I did mix up the 2 tho I'm sure if I asked you were what the drip rate is- for Midadolam and versed in the unconscious intubated patient, you would also attempt what your best answer in which case I wouldn't be jumping on your back for giving it a go

                              Cheers
                              What's your problem (other than exceptional rudeness)? Lucassb simply asked you to clarify how you came to your opinions. And if you read carefully, I am the one who referred to your inaccurracy about price. Lucassb was questioning your incorrect information regarding fit and comfort of wool versus foam. Are you always so sensitive to criticism?

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                              • #16
                                Absolutely not, in fact I one of the most open "members" you could meet. Your post came across to ME as very rude and I responded in the same manner. A challenge with forums. It is difficult to read the emotions put behind a post and the vocabulary used will convey the wrong emotions.

                                Misunderstanding obviously made. Let's move on.

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                                • #17
                                  I am a big Tad Coffin fan, and have been for 10 years now. Through my travels as catch riding as a junior, amateur, and now a professional, I feel it fits just about everything. Except for my horse. Haha. He has huuuge shark withers and really no saddle would fit. However, I'll also confess that I also use my Beval wool wither relief pad (http://www.beval.com/Products/Beval-...d/2069005.aspx) with everything. I use that with a baby pad every day with everything (Except for smaller ponies or downhill horses... or horses with crazy flat backs). I even show in it.
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                                  • #18
                                    try a BC

                                    MVP -- have had a terrible time finding a saddle to fit my guy (who is built much like yours)...I am currently working with Trumbull Mtn, and they have been wonderful -- in fact, I should be getting my new saddle tomorrow. They work really well with wither tracings and photos -- and I have worked with them long distance -- they have really been great (and they have tons of used and new saddles to try -- many different brands.)

                                    Whatever you try, I wish you luck as I know how frustrating it can be to try to find a saddle that fits!

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                                    • #19
                                      I am a proud Tad x2 owner - love them. However, being a professional they don't fit everything that I ride. I just purchased a CWD that seems to fit a large majority of the things I ride! I will be keeping both Tads- because they are the most comfortable to me and they fit lots of horses- and adding the CWD because it is very comfortable (and I have a very nice rep in the area that has spent many hours fitting the saddles to several horses)

                                      For your sharky finned guy I would recommend looking into the CWD. They fit really well on my higher withered but VERY wide shoulder guys. My older horse actually is doing the same thing as he ages and the Tad Coffin used to fit him really well and it doesn't as well anymore and I bet the CWD would fit great (haven't tried it on him but I think it would be a perfect fit)
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                                      • #20
                                        I have a Tad Coffin and it

                                        DOES NOT FIT A SINGLE HORSE I PUT IT ON.

                                        Period, end of story.

                                        It is **extremely** flat in the panels so it bridges on every single horse.
                                        My horses have relatively flat backs too; they are NOT banana shaped, and do not have high withers.



                                        I have put that saddle on horse after horse after horse, because I rode with a trainer for a while that would by five horses per week at the auctions to tune them up and resell them. I have put that eff saddle on 45+ horses and it bridged on EVERY ONE. I have not found one horse it fits.

                                        I am truly amazed at the people who say their Tad fits every horse because I just do not understand. All the trees are the same they must have the same thing. I seriously question if they are running their hand under the panels to check for even contact.

                                        On many horses I could see DAYLIGHT between the saddle and the horse's back in the middle of the panels! Multiple horses! DAYLIGHT!!

                                        Meanwhile, my poor horse that I rode in it for two years had two years worth of nebulous soundness issues. Over the course of a couple years he was seen by five vets in three different states; we did adequan, legend, doxy for lymes and I even considered retiring him as my competition horse (at age SIX) and leasing him out to a light weight kid who just wanted to do the 2'6". No one could figure out why the x-rays were clean but the horse was crippled. One of the vets said maybe I was just too heavy, TBs are meant to carry jockeys not 6' tall 150lb ladies.

                                        After we switched the saddle the vet bills are ZERO, and knock on wood have been such for over a year.


                                        I finally wrote an email to Tad last week, Feb 11 saying, "Listen, I really tried with this saddle but it just does not fit my horse," politely describing the extensive veterinary history with two years of problems under the Tad and one year of no problems with a different saddle, and saying that the saddle was very comfortable for ME but it sadly just did not work for my horse, and I asked if he could maybe help me sell it on to someone who couldn't afford a new one, I would very, VERY much appreciate it.

                                        As of now, over a week later, the email has gotten no response.

                                        Guess the customer service isn't as hot as I thought it was either; maybe he was going to say he couldn't help me but I was not expecting to be totally ignored.
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