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what would you expect to pay for short stirrup pony and why is it SO hard to find one

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  • what would you expect to pay for short stirrup pony and why is it SO hard to find one

    What would you expect to pay for an older short stirrup pony (medium or large, heck even a hony!) that will pack a beginner kid around, with a lead change and no stop? Doesn't need to be a fancy division pony, just a confidence builder. Been looking everywhere and for the life of me can't find anything!

    Where does everyone look for these and can one be found that doesn't cost an arm and a leg?

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    Those of us who have those unicorns rarely let them go. You might find someone who will lease one out, though. If you do find one, they may be had for around $10K for a younger, teen ager or half that for something older. Some are stepping down from bigger shows, others are happily cantering around the local circuits.
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    • #3
      Where are you located and define what is NOT "an arm and a leg?" I may know of one.

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      • #4
        What Limerick said. Where are you located and what is your budget?
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        • #5
          The "good ones" are worth their weight in gold....and usually get passed along the underground railroad of horsemen..... to friends!!!
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          • #6
            Where are you located? They are all over around me for under 5k!
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            • #7
              Consider a low level event horse. They are readily available and have
              experience carting kids over scary jumps, as well as being broke enough to do basic dressage.

              They probably will not jump in good enough form to win at the big shows, but that isn't high on your list anyway.

              I do not know where you live, but just about every area has a FB page for people interested in horses, and horses for sale.
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              • #8
                My daughter started showing my former 1.40m horse in the short stirrup last year when she (my daughter) was 7. Mare is a complete and total one-in-a-million horse.

                I can't tell you how many times trainers came up to me after one of my kid's rounds and said, "tell me the price...don't care what it is."

                I would never, under any circumstance, let this mare out from my care. And the response to my response every time was, "Damnit! Those horses are impossible to find!" So I don't have an answer for you. I know that I have one and I will never let her go!

                But in all seriousness, I have seen quite a few nice older horses for sale for not-terrible prices. The harder part is finding the one that is a complete steady eddie + has an auto change + will always jump regardless of passenger direction. Hunter mom has a good point too - those types are more often up for lease than sale. I have a "unicorn" small pony that was my daughter's babysitter from when she was a baby until she was 7 and I'm just starting to think about leasing him out. Same story as my mare - I'll never sell him, but I do think it's time for him to help out a new tiny kid. I'm not marketing him at all because I'm really okay with having him just be a pasture pet, but if someone I knew (and I would *have* to know them) was looking I'd definitely consider it.

                So maybe put out feelers with all of the trainers/barns you know?
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                • #9
                  These are sooo hard to find. Do you have any therapeutic barns around you? I found my old short stirrup pony at one. She had too much pep to work with therapy children. Former barrel racer, minor arthritis. She learned to jump in a few weeks and we were hitting up the shows soon after. She was a quarter pony.

                  She never wanted for a home or a job and I'm fairly certain the few times she's changed hands, she was never advertised. These kinds of ponies really don't ever go on the market.

                  Like others have said, it's best to put out feelers in your community instead of looking through sales ads. These ponies/horses won't be for sale usually. Best bet is to be an exemplary owner/caretaker and connect with someone who has a child a bit older than your own that is ready to move up and can't keep two horses. Short stirrup packers usually come with a lot of sentimental value too and a lot of times money has nothing to do with the sale. A lot of the time, you're being entrusted with a families first pony and exemplary care will trump $$$.

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                  • #10
                    There's one on my neck of the woods. "Bad size" small (12.3). It's a good breeding, good age, good color, hack winner, easy for kids to ride and nice enough to do the division (green at that level but no reason it couldn't do that job aside from size-bias). Has a bit of a show record, lightly shown. Doing the short stirrup now. Packing kids. They want $20K.
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                    • #11
                      PNW: I saw one just like yours at TBird..... A big grey with a tiny dot of a girl in the 18" beginning hunters. Sooooooo adorable! When I asked I found out the horse had competed in the 1.15m earlier that day, won the CET finals I believe the previous year, and had done some Hunter paces in its earlier career..... Needless to say, it wasn't for sale LOL
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by alterchicken View Post
                        What would you expect to pay for an older short stirrup pony (medium or large, heck even a hony!) that will pack a beginner kid around, with a lead change and no stop? Doesn't need to be a fancy division pony, just a confidence builder. Been looking everywhere and for the life of me can't find anything!

                        Where does everyone look for these and can one be found that doesn't cost an arm and a leg?

                        I put the word out through my old trainer, who kept their ears open for me. I was willing to take a older pony (minor maintenance).

                        Many of them pass through the underground network of beloved ponies lent/leased/sold/given to friends of trainers, owners etc. That is how I got mine, but I was willing to take a stepping-down-from-the-divisions, older ("bad" size 12.3) pony with some maintenance with "he can never be sold, just given back if you can't keep him".

                        Just this week he took a beginner beginner beginner all over the Horse Park, trotted through water, up a little bank. All the time saying "I got this, Kid. Just hold on".

                        He'll never show in rated (divisions) again, but he's not going anywhere (especially at his age). If he was younger, I would consider loaning him to a perfect family but at his age it won't happen.
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                        • #13
                          Also agree that they are out there, but being willing to take on something that needs a little maintenance makes them far easier to find. Many of these old friends need a little something.
                          A proud friend of bar.ka.

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                          • #14
                            double post, oops
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                            • #15
                              I have a couple of said unicorns...well, their changes are a little rusty, but they're usually there on a show day. After a few bad leases where ponies were returned with no brakes and covered in kick/bite marks, I wont ever let my unicorns leave my sight again. They have earned a place at my farm, no matter what income they might or might not generate for me.

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                              • #16
                                Disclaimer, I don't know these horses from Adam...

                                http://delaware.craigslist.org/grd/5684358226.html

                                http://baltimore.craigslist.org/grd/5642737061.html

                                http://toledo.craigslist.org/grd/5678836903.html

                                But I think if you're patient, willing to look, and turn over some stones-- you can find a good short stirrup horse. It think "coming from another discipline" or "bad size" are the ways to find bargains.
                                ~Veronica
                                "The Son Dee Times" "Sustained" "Somerset" "Franklin Square"
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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by PNWjumper View Post
                                  My daughter started showing my former 1.40m horse in the short stirrup last year when she (my daughter) was 7. Mare is a complete and total one-in-a-million horse.

                                  I can't tell you how many times trainers came up to me after one of my kid's rounds and said, "tell me the price...don't care what it is."

                                  I would never, under any circumstance, let this mare out from my care. And the response to my response every time was, "Damnit! Those horses are impossible to find!" So I don't have an answer for you. I know that I have one and I will never let her go!

                                  But in all seriousness, I have seen quite a few nice older horses for sale for not-terrible prices. The harder part is finding the one that is a complete steady eddie + has an auto change + will always jump regardless of passenger direction. Hunter mom has a good point too - those types are more often up for lease than sale. I have a "unicorn" small pony that was my daughter's babysitter from when she was a baby until she was 7 and I'm just starting to think about leasing him out. Same story as my mare - I'll never sell him, but I do think it's time for him to help out a new tiny kid. I'm not marketing him at all because I'm really okay with having him just be a pasture pet, but if someone I knew (and I would *have* to know them) was looking I'd definitely consider it.

                                  So maybe put out feelers with all of the trainers/barns you know?
                                  PNW, I too am looking for this unicorn pony and I'm in the Seattle area. You probably don't know me, but I'm sure you know my trainer. My 5 year old daughter did her first show in Cle Elum last weekend, just the trot pole classes, on my first pony (he's 28) and she will probably start cross rails this winter. I'd love to take your pony out of the pasture, I'll send you a pm.

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                                  • #18
                                    It really does depend on area, and also what are you wiling to overlook? Does it have to pin in the hack and be pretty? Or can ist just be a super solid citizen who does it's job with no major issues and maxes out at 2'6"? I would think for the later you can maybe find one from anywhere from 8K to 15K depending on area and age.

                                    The really good ones do get passed down within barns because they are just such good boys! We have one in ours that is on his fourth kid, took the second one from crossrails to 3'3", and now he is the the short/long stirrup, green rider king. We will keep him in the barn for as long as humanly possible. It is important to note that while he is always servicebaly sound, he would never and has never passed a vet check with flying colors. Not even when we bought him the first time! He gets regular maintence (injections, chiro, masage, supplements, even reiki), and we have to be super vigilant with his feet, but he has been one of the most solid and reliable horses in the barn for what he does for years now.

                                    I mention this aspect becuase you may have to look at the maintence ones who are already proven to be good for what they do, but aren't going to pass anything with flying colors.
                                    Always be yourself. Unless you can be a unicorn. Then ALWAYS be a unicorn.

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                                    • #19
                                      depending on where you are, and budget, I know of a great packing older medium pony, 16 i think? has done the short stirrup job through medium ponies. I believe he is listed for 25K but he can do more than SS clearly, could take your child into children's ponies for sure. I am thinking it's more worth 15-20K myself but again it will do more than SS and will clean up in SS.
                                      Last edited by Mayaty02; Jul. 25, 2016, 06:53 PM.

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                                      • #20
                                        If you live in the northeast, you may be interested in the paint gelding in the Giveaways forum. Sounds like just what you want.
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