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What is my horse worth as a hunter?

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  • #21
    Originally posted by 4wdNstraight View Post
    I hear you all. She is a good dressage horse, but just prefers to go around long, especially in the canter. I rode hunters, jumpers, and event horses growing up, and I can just picture her doing that job. She is difficult to collect for the pirouettes, but she will get it. I just thought if she ended up being a good hunter, maybe it would be worth selling her if she were happier. Just not for less than $30 K. I certainly wouldn't want to spend a lot of $$$ training her to do the job to get so little.

    As an aside, why do hunters not like mares or 16 H horses? Just curious.

    First I would love to tell you I think your are being a wonderful horse-y mom. Thinking of where your horse would be happiest is a good thing.

    "Big - Brown - Geldings" is what the Hunter trainers I have ridden with say when I have been horse shopping.

    Big because more often than not they have a bigger and slower step that is desired in the hunters. Get down the lines easy and effortless. They jump with less effort and slower because they are larger. (not always but it is more often the case) I do know of a 400,000 hunter that was only 16 hand... just a freak of a mover and jump style.

    Brown - more of a remark that brown horses have a good nature - what they look for in the Ammy Hunters.

    Geldings - again the good nature.

    But saying that - I know of some amazing mares I would love to own... I had a wonderful QH mare as my first horse as a kid and she was fantastic.

    A green at jumping, sound, mare could bring you 10,000 to 80,000 depending on also where you live and how nice she takes to her new job.

    A lot of really nice Hunters come from Dressage land. And the nice thing is they have been trained well on the flat and that transitions to the jumping.

    Good luck with her and I hope you can find a trainer that will help you find her the perfect situation.
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    • #22
      Sell her as a bronze medal specialist. 4th and up is a deal breaker for lots of horses because that is when the work starts to get real. Some don't want to and some can't.

      You will be happier on something that can and she'll be happier that she doesn't have to.
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      • #23
        We had a similar horse come into the barn maybe 8 years ago. Big round bay gelding, maybe only 16h or 16.1 but took up lots of leg and huge step. 13 YO at the time, at PSG or maybe I-1. He had been to young riders once or twice, but wasn't loving the collection required for the upper levels and the owners wanted to give him a new job. Beautiful mover, loved going long and low. Took right to the jumping and sold for $35k or $40k a couple of weeks later. If the horse jumps well and you are in the right location, people will pay regardless of lack of hunter show record.

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        • #24
          I've always been a gelding person until this mare I have currently. Disliked to the point of almost hating mares. The right one is amazing, loving, talented, giving...the wrong one will try and kill you. As for height.....big is in.

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          • #25
            I don't know why you're all saying she's worth more as a dressage horse. Anyone looking for a 4th level horse and up is going to know she's not suited for that job.

            A dressage trainer I know let one of the grooms jump her horse once a week, and then took her to a small-ish show, where she was offered 60K for the *mare* as an eq horse.

            As far as getting at least 30K for her, half-lame older WBs around here go for minimum of 25K if they can still pack a kid around a course at a show.
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            • #26
              Originally posted by Bristol Bay View Post

              A dressage trainer I know let one of the grooms jump her horse once a week, and then took her to a small-ish show, where she was offered 60K for the *mare* as an eq horse.

              As far as getting at least 30K for her, half-lame older WBs around here go for minimum of 25K if they can still pack a kid around a course at a show.
              I agree with most of your post, generally speaking. I just bolded that is was a trainer, not an ammy and sometimes (right or wrong) that can be the difference in low 5 figures and mid.
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              • #27
                The barn I ride at has bought more then one ex dressage horse trying to turn hunter jumper and some have worked out beautifully, and others haven't. I agree that in the right market, and even with just a couple shows under her belt, you could get over 30K if she takes to it quickly and you have the right expsoure. However, it can really swing the other way to depending on location, and even the types of trainers you show her too. Mine has a strong background in dressage, and looks for that base for any horse. Others don't really get what to do with all of those buttons and don't see it as a positive for their juniors or ammys.

                The Dressage horses I've seen do typically cross over to the equitation well becuase its closer to the dressage frame, but still not as collected, they get the contact they are used to, but are not asked as many questions on the flat that take so much sitting.

                Also keep in mind that alot of times when someone is looking at a dressage horse turning hunter, it's pretty much always the scenario where they have X amount to spend, but what the XYZ horse, and are trying to find a deal to make that happen. THis can go a few different ways when you are the seller, but you would really need to get her to a good HJ trainer and see what she has in her.

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by Bristol Bay View Post
                  I don't know why you're all saying she's worth more as a dressage horse. Anyone looking for a 4th level horse and up is going to know she's not suited for that job.

                  A dressage trainer I know let one of the grooms jump her horse once a week, and then took her to a small-ish show, where she was offered 60K for the *mare* as an eq horse.

                  As far as getting at least 30K for her, half-lame older WBs around here go for minimum of 25K if they can still pack a kid around a course at a show.
                  Maybe it's just me, but I don't think an unproven, green small mare is comparable with a proven packer.

                  I searched a popular sales website in my state (an expensive one) with parameters that would match this horse. I got 9 results, 4 with ads over 6 months old...and 5 of the ads are for TBs (I didn't limit by breed). 7 of the ads are for less than $15k, and only 1 is listed at $30k.

                  When looking at dressage horses on the same site, there are more options. The one that is closest is 9 year old mare that is schooling 2nd and changes. She's listed at $25k.

                  I'm not familiar with the dressage market, but if a 4th level horse that might not be happy going further is worth less than $30k and is somewhere between $10-$20k perhaps selling as a hunter makes sense.
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                  • #29
                    Rugbug, I agree with you, I think there are always a lot of anecdotes flying around about what various horses sold for, but if you go to more boring but also more reputable sources like high end h/j sales websites, you will get more realistic information. I'm also always skeptical when people say they know what a horse sold for. No one knows that for sure but the actual buyer and seller, and both parties often have a vested interest in other people thinking that the sale price was higher than what it really was. My point is, it's naive to think that secondhand info on sale prices is accurate. A trainer doesn't want to admit that they made a really big price cut to get a horse sold. A buyer would rather have outsiders think the original price was higher in case they decide to flip the horse.

                    I also think it is very easy to think that the grass is greener on the other side of the fence. It's true that a lovely hunter round looks very simple--just a pretty horse cantering around over some simple jumps. But there are a lot of horses that don't make the cut for whatever reason, and most of the really good ones have a lot of training and show experience under their belts. It's true, there always could be a buyer that crops up that just "has to have" a particular horse, but more typically buyers are very methodical and analytical when spending five figures on a horse.

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                    • #30
                      Why don't you just start her over fences a couple days a week and see how she goes? If you're not confident in your o/f riding at the moment since it's been a while just do gymnastics for a couple months until you are. Or get someone else to ride her. A LOT of dressage riders used to jump their horses regularly to build hind end strength, I used to go to a barn and jump like 10 horses one day a week as a junior. It's fallen out of favor but if you start her over fences you might end up with a better dressage horse or a really nice hunter or eq horse.

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                      • #31
                        Seems like it can't hurt to expose her a little to jumping and get an opinion of a hunter trainer-- but a horse that is very well trained and successfully shown for many years in a discipline is almost ALWAYS going to be worth WAY MORE in that discipline.
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