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Rider injured giving a horse a reward while in the saddle??

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  • Rider injured giving a horse a reward while in the saddle??

    Sorry...I searched for this topic and nothing came up. I heard something the other day about a GP rider being injured while rewarding a horse after a course. Something about the rider giving the horse a cookie while still on board and the bit getting caught in the stirrup??? Does anyone know anything about this?

    Sorry - I hope this doesn't turn into a train wreck....it just sounds like a freak accident.

  • #2
    I know nothing about the actual incident, but I have seen it happen with younger kids that a pony in a full check would get its bit caught on a stirrup and spin in circles.... usually losing the kid off the side.
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    • #3
      nothing about this specifically

      but I saw a horse reach around to itch it's side after rider dismounted and before the stirrups were run up and the stirrup getting hooked over her lower jaw- needless to say freaked out spinning, falling over- fortunately someone had a knife and we cut the leather....

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      • #4
        I know nothing about the incident either, but about 10 years ago I knew a horse that hooked his jaw on a stirrup and fell forward/sideways- fracturing his neck.

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        • #5
          I also know of one that reached around for a fly, hooked it's mouth on a stirrup and go over on pavement, it was not a pretty sight. I had one hook a martingale in it's mouth when I was trying it , that was scary. Luckily someone on the ground was able to undo it's girth quickly

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          • #6
            Feeding the horse from the saddle is a trend that should be allowed to die. Someone decided to treat horses like dolphins and give them food whenever they did something good, instead of just patting them on the neck, praising them verbally, calling it a day, and treating them well in general. Then lots of people followed suit, including knowledgeable and otherwise responsible people. I'm surprised there haven't been more accidents. Besides the bit getting caught in the stirrup, the bit can get caught on martingales, etc. Tack wasn't designed to get out of the way of a horse swivelling its head around so suddenly. Plus it's simply annoying when a spoiled horse swings its head around toward your knee whenever you come to a walk or halt, then gets cranky when you don't feed it.

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            • #7
              I agree no rewards while mounted. THis is not having to do with a reward, but at a show one time I saw a horse reach down towards its chest maybe to scratch and caught the matirgale in the bit, horse flipped over with the rider but luckily noone was hurt
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              • #8
                Richard Spooner did (still does???) this whilst on Robinson often enough that it was seen when the GPs were televised.
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                • #9
                  Treats should go in the horse's feed tub in the stall. Anything else encourages the horse to form bad habits in one way or another.

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                  • #10
                    Dear God! You folks need to lighten up! I've seen horses (2) standing in the line-up of a hack class, swing around to swat a fly, and knock themselves over. No more hack classes or standing in a line-up!!! It's dangerous!

                    If that's not your way and you think it's too dangerous for you, don't do it. Others see it as a nice way to bond and reinforce good behavior. Nothing we do while mounted is without risk.

                    Bad things happen. In over 40 years with horses, I've seen a lot things. Treating your horse, either mounted or un-mounted, doesn't even break the top 1000 of things to be worried about.























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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by jr View Post
                      Dear God! You folks need to lighten up! I've seen horses (2) standing in the line-up of a hack class, swing around to swat a fly, and knock themselves over. No more hack classes or standing in a line-up!!! It's dangerous!

                      If that's not your way and you think it's too dangerous for you, don't do it. Others see it as a nice way to bond and reinforce good behavior. Nothing we do while mounted is without risk.

                      Bad things happen. In over 40 years with horses, I've seen a lot things. Treating your horse, either mounted or un-mounted, doesn't even break the top 1000 of things to be worried about.























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                      How about no more hitting the return key excessively?

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                      • #12
                        Wow, are you always so pleasant? You might want to work on your people skills.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by jr View Post
                          Wow, are you always so pleasant? You might want to work on your people skills.
                          Pot? Kettle calling. You're black.

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                          • #14
                            I saw an adult do this at a recent jumper show in VA. Her horse was a saint and although I agree he should have been rewarded it looked unprofessional to do it while still in the ring. The horse would literally stop after the last fence and wait for the treat and she'd give it to him. IMO you finish your course and leave, not stand around treating your horse.

                            Also I was taught to not feed a horse with a bit in his mouth...

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                            • #15
                              not directly the same, but my mom leased a quiet, well-behaved english pleasure horse who once went to itch his cheek while under saddle with his hind hoof and caught it through the rein. though he freaked, my mom jumped off and the leather rein broke.

                              things like that just happen, and luckily most of us make it out with just a fright. he had never before and never again went to itch his cheek with a bridle on!

                              i do agree though, that giving your horse a treat while in the show ring is not very professional, regardless of whether its safe...

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                              • #16
                                I'm in the toss a treat in the feed tub category. And only after all their work is done and they are put away.

                                They are doing their job, not doing anything amazing. I'm all for treats when you tuck them in after a ride, but they are not necessary when mounted. A pat on the neck, or a good rub if they have done something really fantastic, and ending your ride when they accomplish a task, that is a reward.

                                If you're at work and finish a project, would you rather be given a donut, or allowed to go home early? And do you expect a reward for doing the essential duties of your job each day, other than receiving your salary and being allowed to go home?

                                I was once at a show and watching the ponies go. A pony refused a fence and ran to the edge of the ring because it heard someone open a bag of chips... The little girls trip was ruined because the pony was spoiled.

                                Theres no right or wrong, and many different schools of thought on the issue, this is just my thinking. My retired mare is treated differently. She is spoiled to death and I treat her like a pet. But her work is over. My only requirement for her now is that she stands still to be groomed. So she is a little more pampered and a little more spoiled.
                                Strong promoter of READING the entire post before responding.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by jr View Post
                                  Dear God! You folks need to lighten up! I've seen horses (2) standing in the line-up of a hack class, swing around to swat a fly, and knock themselves over. No more hack classes or standing in a line-up!!! It's dangerous!

                                  If that's not your way and you think it's too dangerous for you, don't do it. Others see it as a nice way to bond and reinforce good behavior. Nothing we do while mounted is without risk.

                                  Bad things happen. In over 40 years with horses, I've seen a lot things. Treating your horse, either mounted or un-mounted, doesn't even break the top 1000 of things to be worried about.
                                  How about no more hitting the return key excessively?
                                  Kewl! I totally agree with BOTH of you! See, we CAN all get along.

                                  In all things equine, I start with the assumption that:

                                  a) horses are 4 legged animals looking for a time and a place to die. Some are really dedicated to this end, almost like it is their evolutionary niche.

                                  b) you do your best to keep a horse from fulfilling (a) above through a variety of mostly common sense all the way to hysterically extreme measures, but ...

                                  c) you accept that you can do everything reasonable and even insanely unreasonable and cautious beyond anything even the interweb tubes could dream up and yet always refer to (a) when they execute to their evolutionary niche in spite of (b).

                                  And of course the corollary to this law is that the horse's degree of health will be in inverse proportion to owner's dedication to (b). Meaning if said horse is staked out alongside a highway with no access to water and is in reachable proximity to both barbwire fencing and a federal interstate it is a given no harm will come to it, it may even prosper. If I leave a blanket strap just 10% looser than optimal, my horse will step on it, flip over break its neck and die while galloping around in his safe fence paddock with grass, hay and water all available.
                                  Your crazy is showing. You might want to tuck that back in.

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                                  • #18
                                    I heard about the GP rider getting hurt, but don't know who it was. Because of it some of the trainers at my barn have asked that no one feed their horse while mounted.

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                                    • #19
                                      Seriously? Because of a freak accident your trainers want no one to feed their horses when mounted? Goodness Sakes. If we all modified our behavior to avoid every known freak accident we'd never get out of bed in the morning, and we certianly wouldn't ride horses.

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                                      • #20
                                        DMK -- SO True! And, I have found that this applies not only to horse management, but to raising one's children as well! People ask me what I "did" to get my son into Harvard-- I tell them "lot's of benign neglect and frozen pizza while I was in the barn". It works WAY better than constant nagging!
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