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    #21
    Originally posted by War Admiral View Post
    Thank you, Wingsie!!!

    An informal poll please? How many of you who are going to miss seeing the ASBs at Penn. Natl. might be interested in joining a "Saddlebred Friends of Penn. Natl." lobbying group/letter writing campaign IF one were started?? The idea is being kicked around loosely but nothing formal is in place yet... Obviously the more H-J people who were willing to participate, even if just by doing what Wingsie did & sending a quick E to someone, the more success such a venture might be likely to have.
    i would. money usually talks. if a big money class were added to the SB ticket, trainers will go. that means sponsorship, which i would assume is way down in these days?

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      #22
      Originally posted by BlueBobRadar View Post
      I just felt like all the different stuff kept the Penn. Nat. like a "classic" indoor show, if you know what I mean. Like the way all the Indoors used to be.
      Yeah, I've never been to the PA Nat. but it seemed to be the only true indoor show left. I think its a shame they are cutting all those other classes, they are what makes the show unique.

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        #23
        I agree. Maybe we all need to voice our concern here??? Send emails folks!
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          #24
          Originally posted by Everythingbutwings View Post
          I just wrote to steph@paequestrian.com expressing my concerns and disappointment, explaining how much my family enjoys attending PA National for the very things they want to eliminate.
          The correct e-mail address to use is the one Wingsie posted, quoted above!

          As a former H/J rider turned ASB person, I'd just like to say thanks for all the kind wishes here for the breed. It's really very heart-warming! Bless y'all!
          "The standard you walk by is the standard you accept."--Lt. Gen. David Morrison, Austalian Army Chief

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            #25
            Originally posted by luvs2ridewbs View Post
            I think all the other breeds getting cut out will be mad.
            Y'think MAYBE??? There are some VERY nice saddlebreds, etc. on the east coast, and if they hadn't been treated like poor stepchildren for years, the attendance wouldn't have fallen off. I can't tell you how many of my customers have commented (and not positively) about the video that they get from many of these big shows that concentrate on h/j - don't have a clue and don't give a rat's patoot about what the other folks want to see!

            I love the big, diverse shows - and I used to love to show in them. There's a wealth of knowledge out there - if folks aren't too wrapped up in their own little world - or too insecure - to see it.

            That's a shame. We need to be coming TOGETHER rather than drifting further apart - to save our sport/activity/hobby from the more proactive activists. There was a very scary article in the recent Covert (MFHA publication).

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              #26
              Imagine 30 of these in all colors and outfits in the ring at once and you've got the Good Hands Class at Penn National. Judged on saddle seat equitation, it's magnificent.

              I can't find my photos right now but you get the idea. You're lucky if you see 5 entries at Devon. At the PA National, they have to divide the fine harness classes!

              I already got a response back from my email. I intend to follow up with a "real" letter.
              "If you would have only one day to live, you should spend at least half of it in the saddle."

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                #27
                Originally posted by Everythingbutwings View Post
                Imagine 30 of these in all colors and outfits in the ring at once and you've got the Good Hands Class at Penn National. Judged on saddle seat equitation, it's magnificent.

                I can't find my photos right now but you get the idea. You're lucky if you see 5 entries at Devon. At the PA National, they have to divide the fine harness classes!

                I already got a response back from my email. I intend to follow up with a "real" letter.
                As a child I can remember watching the finals of the AHSA Medal, the ASPCA Maclay and the Good Hands during the weekend of the National Horse Show at MSG - yes all 3 finals during one weekend!

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by BAC View Post
                  As a child I can remember watching the finals of the AHSA Medal, the ASPCA Maclay and the Good Hands during the weekend of the National Horse Show at MSG - yes all 3 finals during one weekend!
                  Yepyepyep - and they used to actually have the Stock Seat (as it then was) Medals at MSG as well, before my time.

                  To me, this variety is what makes a real National Horse Show.
                  "The standard you walk by is the standard you accept."--Lt. Gen. David Morrison, Austalian Army Chief

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                    #29
                    I agree with all of you that it is a real shame to lose these other divisions from Harrisburg. It will certainly make it a less diverse and interesting show, but from the dwindling entries in some of those divisions, it cannot be too surprising. If you got to the Ryegate website and look at the results from 2008, there were 2 Amateur Fine Harness horses and none in the Open Fine Harness division. I am not at all familiar with the ASB show circuit, but is it possible that something else is going on at this time, or just does not fit into their schedule? In any case, it is sad to lose them.

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                      #30
                      Yeah... There are show conflicts... And another big piece of the puzzle is that most pro ASB barns are chasing ASHA points, not USEF points; ASHA issues points for some of its award schemes based on the number of horses below you in the class, so there's a school of thought that you go where everybody else is going so that you can be 4th out of 24 at an ASB show (more ASHA points) rather than 4th out of 4 at Devon or Penn Natl. (less ASHA points).

                      Me personally, I'd be quite happy with that 4th out of 4 so long as the ribbon said "Devon" or "Penn. Natl." on it!
                      "The standard you walk by is the standard you accept."--Lt. Gen. David Morrison, Austalian Army Chief

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                        #31
                        I didn't realize the stock seat medal finals were also at MSG, that was before my time too. Wish I had seen it though.

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                          #32
                          Saddlebreds show FAR less than h/j. Generally, two classes per show (their "qualifying class" and the corresponding championship. That can be at a 4+ day show. VERY rarely are they cross-entered in divisions. Also, they are shown less frequently - show to show. I don't know any who'd go to shows on back-to-back weekends - generally, one a month.
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                            #33
                            Voice of dissent here. I think it's hard to get a lot people interested in watching another flat class - shaky tails or no. As an occasional novelty, maybe, (as in I'd walk over to the ring to watch if I had to be there for another reason or another ring - or, didn't have anything else to look at while eating my lunch).
                            It seems that many of the posters who will miss these classes are those that used to ride in them, or at least in that discipline - which (I can't help but wonder) if it's not even interesting enough to you to stick with it, I'm sure you can understand how it wouldn't be a big draw for a general audience.

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                              #34
                              Out of curiosity, those that are upset to see the them go, have supported the horse show in any of the following: as an exhibitor in those classes, as a paying spectator or by sponsoring classes.

                              PNHS is a benefit show. It is hard to justify keeping classes that lose money instead of making money for the benefactor.

                              The entries have declined in that breed divisions, as well as the support as noted above.

                              While you could cut the classes that don't fill, but the ASB folks won't come if all the divisions they want to show in are not offered.

                              While I agree that it is a shame to see them go, I can understand the economics of it.

                              Breed based disciplines show in a different manner than H/J. That and the overlap of not having room to warm up horses for the different breeds cause a lack of interest in both Devon and PNHS from the ASB.

                              It would be nice to keep them, but I doubt this decision was not made without looking at all the options and basing it on the financial end. You simply cannot continue to offer classes that are not supported and are a money loss.

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                                #35
                                Originally posted by Molly99 View Post
                                Out of curiosity, those that are upset to see the them go, have supported the horse show in any of the following: as an exhibitor in those classes, as a paying spectator or by sponsoring classes.

                                PNHS is a benefit show. It is hard to justify keeping classes that lose money instead of making money for the benefactor.

                                The entries have declined in that breed divisions, as well as the support as noted above.

                                While you could cut the classes that don't fill, but the ASB folks won't come if all the divisions they want to show in are not offered.

                                While I agree that it is a shame to see them go, I can understand the economics of it.

                                Breed based disciplines show in a different manner than H/J. That and the overlap of not having room to warm up horses for the different breeds cause a lack of interest in both Devon and PNHS from the ASB.

                                It would be nice to keep them, but I doubt this decision was not made without looking at all the options and basing it on the financial end. You simply cannot continue to offer classes that are not supported and are a money loss.
                                I understand the economic reasoning behind this, however, I am one of those paying spectators who makes the two hour trip each year happily and with anticipation that I'll be seeing the ASB classes, along with the Grand prix. It's an all day at the fair type of outing and I really look forward to it.

                                The Farm Show Complex is totally different from the situation at Devon. There is far more room for stabling and warm up of multiple disciplines at Harrisburg. The building is ideally suited for just that type of event.

                                Spina:
                                It seems that many of the posters who will miss these classes are those that used to ride in them, or at least in that discipline - which (I can't help but wonder) if it's not even interesting enough to you to stick with it, I'm sure you can understand how it wouldn't be a big draw for a general audience.
                                I've never ridden or driven in an ASB class, and, although my discipline of preference is hunter/jumper, I find the saddleseat flat classes to be far more interesting than a hunter hack. The Good Hands Class is much more like an equitation medal class, and not simply w/t/c change direction and line up.

                                I will be very sad to lose the ASB's from Harrisburg.
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                                  #36
                                  Originally posted by spina View Post
                                  Voice of dissent here. I think it's hard to get a lot people interested in watching another flat class - shaky tails or no. As an occasional novelty, maybe, (as in I'd walk over to the ring to watch if I had to be there for another reason or another ring - or, didn't have anything else to look at while eating my lunch).
                                  It seems that many of the posters who will miss these classes are those that used to ride in them, or at least in that discipline - which (I can't help but wonder) if it's not even interesting enough to you to stick with it, I'm sure you can understand how it wouldn't be a big draw for a general audience.
                                  I see what you're saying, but to the general public, I'm not sure if a bunch of hunter o/f classes are that much more exciting...

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                                    #37
                                    This is so sad. It truly is a loss, all the way around.

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                                      #38
                                      I spend a lot of time at the Penn National every year and always attend the Grand Prix on the last night. I usually bring along at least a couple of non horse people to the grand prix and they always appreciate the saddlebreds that also show that night.

                                      The classes are fairly easy to understand even for a novice-you've either got it, or you don't!

                                      I for one will miss seeing Carson Kressley show his gorgeous horses.

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                                        #39
                                        I've never shown or competed in those types of classes. I like saddlebreds from way back, and maybe took a few saddleseat lessons, but mostly my connection with them is that my grandfather worked with them.

                                        I will miss the classes for the same reason as Wings. I just LIKE to watch, and love the diversity. I've gone to Harrisburg for years as a spectator for GP night, and always gone early so I could see more of the non h/j classes.

                                        I understand economics and that sometimes things just have to go, but it still makes me really sad. I'll still go, of course, even though it is an hours-long drive for me (to think, I'd rather make that trek than take the quick train ride to WIHS, largely because of the ASBs, hackneys, and draft horses), because I like the atmosphere and venue. But really, those classes are the biggest reason I even started going to PNHS- it's not exactly convenient for me, heh.
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                                          #40
                                          I've been going to PNHS since I was in HS, which has been about 6 years now, and I always loved seeing the NSH's, saddlebreds, fine harness, and it was such a difference from the normal hunters that were on all mornings. I loved seeing all the horses flying into the ring, the call of 'rack on' and just the grace of these horses.

                                          I'll be writing a letter, definitely. My grandfather was a Zembo Shrine usher there back in the 90's and 2000-2003, and he always loved seeing those horses and the excitement and enthusiasm that they brought to the ring.
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