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  • #21
    [QUOTE]Originally posted by Silk:
    To answer the original poster's question: they are still in business because winning means that much to people. A couple of threads ago, everyone was raving about what a wonderful, hardworking student a particular junior was after she was profiled in a teen magazine. Her trainer is one who is suspended for drugging horses. I am not passing judgement -- I do not know what I would do in that situation. Trainers mean a lot to people. However, did this teenager really go this far because of her talent, or because her horse had "additional" substances to help it be so great?

    I dont know the answer-- just posing a question.

    Silk - I agree with you...it makes me wonder also about all these so called "winners" who ride under a suspended trainer.


    • #22
      For example, one particular suspended BNT allowed a Vet at a horse show to administer meds to a horse in his care due to illness. The vet advised waiting 45 days before showing this horse because the meds would test positive. This BNT waited 50+ days to show the horse who then tested positive at that show.

      Oh gosh, that just seems to be everyone's story Sorry, but I think that is a load of crap.


      • #23
        party rose:
        what they should do is make a rule that anyone caught having any dealings with a suspended person will incur a one year automatic suspension. this would put fear in the clients hearts not giggles. and it is up to you to read the suspension list to see if your trainer is on it.


        • #24
          there are many people in the area that i live that are about to be set out for awhile. many of them have found "temporary" trainers to come in and take over teaching for them. i know they aren't allowed to make money off of any of this, but who's to say that they don't. it just doesn't seem like the rules we have in place right now are really working.

          on the other side of the story you have the boarders at that barn. what if you were the one boarding with a trainer and then he had to sit out for a year. that is no fun. however, if it was up to me i would just move barns. maybe if other people felt the same way and moved trainers because they were suspended, it would be more of an incentive not to get suspended! who knows, it just seem like there are so many darn loopholes in many of our rules in regulations.


          • #25
            Maybe if they gave the general member the right to vote on this stuff maybe harsher rules could be set up for violaters. But we don't have a say and nothing ever really important ever changes, so as long as "they" have control expect these people to cheat the system and get off with a slap on the wrist.

            Just another day!!!
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            • #26

              Read the USEF news and notice the severity of the fines then understand that not showing means a lot of lost income to these guys. Its not just a slap on the wrist. Whats intersting to me is that some of the posters on this trhead know of people who are continuing to violate the rules and flout the federation's authority. Why don't they turn them in? Why are they protecting these people? Don't we have an obligation to police the sport for our own benefit? If we don't start effectively standing up to people who act in an unethical fashion, then we have no standing to rant and rave that the USEF is not doing enough. Especially when what the USEF is able to do is effective and does provide deterence to cheaters.


              • #27
                Pgm well when you only get 2 or 3 months suspension for drugging a horse and you still bring your entire opperation to wef and have someone else train them how much money are they really losing???

                Just another day!!!
                I want to be like Barbie because that bitch has everything!


                • #28
                  Fine, but bitching about it here does no good whatsoever! Change the rules if you think the punishments should be more severe! Give the hearing committees more latitude in dealing out appropriate punishments.

                  And, don't forget that the USEF is never going to be able to police anywhere other than its sanctioned showgrounds. And do you REALLY want them to be able to go anywhere else? Do you want them to be able to come to your barn, into your trailers, tack trunks, etc., at will? I really don't think that is something Iever want to see!



                  • #29
                    Does anyone know why GHM got suspended? I really would like to know too.


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                    • #30
                      I'm curious about old GM myself....

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                      • #31
                        All right, all right, since you've all been asking... there was a time, probably before some of you were even a twinkle in mommy's eye, when "everyone" was sticking every hunter in the barn. Longe lines were only used by one Virginia barn. hahaha sorry you know who you are...
                        A lot of your heroes had vacations... some long, some short. Reserpine (yes, it rears it's ugly head again) was the drug of choice.
                        If I recall correctly, it was 1978.
                        Seems like old times. (Yo! VirginiaGirl, thanks for the date correction)

                        Now, back to the originial issue. The customers have nothing to do with a suspension! NOTHING. Why in gods name would all the "trainers horses" get set down? That's ridiculous. I am not responsible for my trainer's actions. What am I, co-dependant? The trainer is responsible for himself or herself.
                        If "the barn" is gonna get suspended, customers will be their own trainers. There's always a loophole

                        And as for those "accidental" medications -- a trainers WORST nightmare is a distruntled employee, ex-employee, customer, neighbor, ex-customer, or some psycho jabbing a needle in Flicka just because you pissed them off. Be nice to the ingate guys, you never know...

                        [This message was edited by buryinghill1 on Jan. 21, 2004 at 03:26 PM.]


                        • #32
                          If it makes you feel any better, there is one particular BNT who was suspended for a month, tried to get around it, and got caught at it. Now this person is going away for a much longer vacation.
                          "I don't want to sound like a broken record here, but why is it that a woman will forgive homicidal behavior in a horse, yet be highly critical of a man for leaving the toilet seat up?" Dave Barry


                          • #33
                            As I recall at an AHSA dinner some years ago (Hilton Head maybe?) GM also told a "funny anecdote" about getting suspended for "prepping a jumper" over a barbed wire fence and getting a "three month vacation."


                            • #34

                              Yes, our lunge lines never retired, even with the big "R"!

                              1978 was the year, most of the vacations were of the same length, at least 2 that were supposed to go to Europe that year couldn't (I'm talking USET here, folks). One's horses actually were brought to Gladstone in preparation for leaving, but alas! It was not to be and they had to exit Gladstone.

                              And BH1 is absolutely correct in the damage a disgruntled ANYONE could do! The horses at these shows are not secure in any way, shape or form, and ANYONE with a mind to could "get" to them.

                              Not to say that is the case with these new suspensions...

                              Amazing how "everything old seems new again!"



                              • #35
                                Buryinghill 1,

                                If you are referring to the midnight raid at Devon, I recall that Karen Healey was GM's barn manager at the time and she took the fall. Everyone had a hard time believing that a barn manager would administer Reserpine to GM's horses without GM knowing. But Karen maintained that she was the responsible party and so it was Karen who was set down.

                                When her suspension ended, she moved to California and set up a very nice training business in an area which cost a lot of money to rent or own a farm.

                                If you are referring to a different occasion, then it would make two strikes for Hunterdon.

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                                • #36
                                  ya know...between the "oh, yeah, this is just round number X of the same thing" drug suspensions; the calcium cures; the LTD; the "dead horse walking" wins and just the sheer cost...

                                  It's enough to make people like me, who probably SHOULD be looking to "move up" through the ranks to rated and bigger shows/classes say NO. Why am I going to join and give money to AHSA/USAEq/USEF/Initials du Jour for THIS?

                                  I'm not in the business of turning horses around to make a profit, this is my hobby and my horse - while he is hoped to stay sane, sound, happy and competitive and to perform decently - is my companion and MY responsibility. Do I want to have to deal with all of this crap just to ride?

                                  This is relevent to me because, prior to this recent round of suspensions, I had actually nudged around the idea of starting to take some lessons with Bob Crandall in my area. He seemed to be doing well at the big shows, and his farm would allow ship-ins, and I was juuuust getting ready to make the leap. He's among the suspended now, and I won't be going there...indeed, I may be staying local.

                                  Sure, there are a couple of local trainers who use more Ace than appropriate training, but I'm starting to think it's not all that much worse than the "bigger ponds" out there...and here at least I know who some of those are!


                                  • #37
                                    Wasn't George in a lot of hot water for a poling incident where the horse died not too long ago?



                                    • #38
                                      I'm sure this is the wrong thing to say but I need to say it. You guys made a few comments on "winners", who really goes out there and rides and who's horses are drugged. I my opinon not everyone has mommy and daddy to buy them a 30,000 horse so people like me have to ride much harder rides. So all in all who is really the better rider the one with the perfect horse or the one with the harder horse that's trainer gave them a break by giving it a drug. I personally don't see a problem with some drugs for instance when I was younger I would take something to calm me down so I could the best ride possible so what's the difference a drug is not going to change the horses ability/talent just there mind set. You could go the other way lunge the animal to death in tight circles so it goes lame when it's 15. They both are doing the same thing so why is one better than the other. I'm so glad I do Jumpers because Hunter's prefection just drives me crazy.


                                      • #39
                                        Court, that was three years ago or so, in Florida around this time of year. It was not exactly poling, and it was not on show grounds. As I recall, and somebody correct me if I'm wrong, it was in a clinic or teaching a lesson, and he was using a metal pole instead of or in addition to a rail. The horse hit the metal pole, it flipped out in front of the horse on end, the horse landed on it chest first, was impaled, and was killed.

                                        It was the topic of one of the first very long and controversial threads on these boards.
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                                        • #40
                                          It generated a lot of negative PR, but no official actiuon, as far as I know, since it was NOT at a show.

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