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  • Original Poster

    #21
    It's been six months, and now I sit here with my gelding still at home, doing nothing. I rode him a handful of times, but nothing to amount anything. Two weeks ago I ended up getting my shoulder nearly pulled from the socket when I was leading my three year old in (if I didn't have bad luck, I'd have no luck at all), so I'm on stall rest again for the next 3-4 weeks.

    I am determined now that unfortunately, Atlas is not for me. He's sweet, but he's not what I need and I'm not what he needs. I mentioned talking to my trainer before, and sending him back for a refresher, and I think I will finally do that. I think the plan then is to try and find something smaller and more suitable for me. I actually have been training my older mountain horse mare to event and she competed in two with a junior rider, but I am not sure eventing is for me either lmao. I'm so confused and I just wish I had the answer on what my next step was.

    Thought I would update.
    Adventures of the nontraditional Rocky in Dressage...
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    • #22
      Didn't read all of the posts, but just a comment on the grad school/horses thing. When I was in grad school, I had a full RA (Research assistant). Financially, I had a darn good deal, as the RA was a 9 month stipend, but my adviser had enough money to pay me the same salary over the summer. So I was getting paid about 25% more than most of the other grad students.

      That said--I routinely worked 7 days a week, mostly 10 hours a day, but often more than that. It worked out to getting paid less than $5 an hour. I had one horse boarded out and I squeezed in barn work to get board down to about 50% for the area. (And, had to lie about it/everything had to be under the table because you aren't allowed to have another job when you get a stipend.) Still, it was a huge struggle financially. And, I had worked in the real world for 3 years post college and had a decent savings to fall back on.

      Just some perspective on the grad school aspect, you might have a totally different situations.

      ETA Sorry, didn't realize this was old, it sounds like selling him is probably the right choice though! Sorry you got hurt!

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        #23
        It's okay! I still have him, haha. So it's still relevant.

        I ended up going back to grad school close to home, night class that is an MBA with an equine concentration. So no moving across the states.
        Adventures of the nontraditional Rocky in Dressage...
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        https://www.facebook.com/SinglefootFarms

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        • #24
          Ah, well in that case, it makes it a heck of a lot easier to keep him, and once you're done with school, you'll probably have the income to put him back in training? Then you can figure out if he'll end up being great for you or if it makes more sense to sell him!

          Out of curiosity, where are you located? Is there a way to ride at your parents over the winter? You might be able to find someone to ride him for free in the meanwhile.

          Good luck in your graduate work! After a slightly hellish masters in Microbiology, I've decided that all I've wanted to do all along is teach, so I'm going back for an accelerated Masters in teaching. (It's a good thing these degrees are funded by the school!)

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          • #25
            Unfortunately, the horse is 8 this year and will be close to 10, or more, before grad school is done plus OPs not confident enough on him to seriously get him trained up should she ride alone at her parents. And she has other horses but not a lot of spare time.

            At some point, it's best to say Uncle in the best interests of horse's future and riders situation for the next few years. OP is at that point with this horse.

            Trouble with leases is they come back at the end of the term. Sometimes they come back before the end of the term at a most financially inconvenient time even if they don't need vet work...but when they do comeback early or you have to go get them out early, there's usually vet bills involved. Nothing like that phone call "we are ending the lease in 30 days, Pookey is lame so come get him." when you are looking at your car on tow truck.

            Problem with keeping him and just chucking him out is OP will have the same partially trained, somewhat quirky prospect 3 years farther from training, 3 years older approaching his teen years and she's going to be in her 30s and STILL not going to be comfortable with him.

            Sorry about you getting hurt OP. Hope it heals quickly.
            When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

            The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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            • Original Poster

              #26
              Very true - thank you both for your perspective. I am hoping to go into teaching as well. I actually was already half way through my masters before I stopped, so I should graduate in 2017, that will only put me back a year. I'll have had him two years in July.

              I wish I was confident on him. He's never done anything to me or to deserve my lack of confidence on him. I just don't know what to do. I want what is best for him. I wish I could find someone to lease him, that would be fantastic. Leases do scare the crap out of me though, for reasons you have mentioned, and for a vast amount of the threads on leases gone bad on here and other places.

              First things first is to get him to my trainer and have him evaluated. She knows how I ride and if I will ever be confident enough to do so. If I did sell him, I would love to put that towards a horse that I won't make excuses about riding. I have been jumping my little Rocky mare but I think she enjoys dressage more, honestly.
              Adventures of the nontraditional Rocky in Dressage...
              http://www.singlefootfarms.com/blog
              https://www.facebook.com/SinglefootFarms

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              • #27
                I agree the best thing you could do for this horse would be to sell him to a good home. His best chance lies in working through a trainer to get him fit, re-trained, and sold. If you're not right for each other, OP, let him go to someone who is right for him. You'll be relieved when it's done.

                I understand where f8 is coming from on this. Sh*t happens and unless you are independently wealthy, you don't have a great sense of where you will be financially in a few years, as you're really just about to start out in your career. Selling him on now will give you and your other horses greater financial protection should sh*t happen.
                Born under a rock and owned by beasts!

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                • #28
                  I'm not sure if you are still interested in opinions on this matter, but I would like to chime in. I was inclined to say "sell him!" But that would be hypocritical of me. I was in a similar situation where I was intimidated to ride my horse. I rescued him from an abandonment situation, and never bothered to see if he was rideable. He was a powder keg for the first few months that I had him. We can say with 99% confidence that he had zero retraining in the 8 or 9 years between when he left the track, and when I took him in. I took lessons on other horses to build my confidence, but it never translated when riding my own horse, so I stopped doing that. I decided that he and I had to grind it out and make it work. (He also happened to be unsellable because he was 17 years old at the time, and a terrible cribber. But he has such a cute face...)

                  I rode with this one trainer, and when I would get nervous I would tense up, and as an OTTB, my horse would feed off that immediately. So the trainer started saying to me, "do something, or do nothing." As in, change something like sit up, or make a circle. Or do nothing as in, take my death grip off the reins and relax my leg, take a deep breath just be a passenger. Interestingly enough, letting go and breathing always brought my horse down to a manageable place. I still do that now if we get stuck. I am happy to say that we have been on the up and up ever since. But it really took someone on the ground telling me that I am the only one that can change anything about where I am at and the ride that I am having. I don't know if you are anything like me, (it sounds like you might be) but I need to be dragged kicking and screaming out of my comfort zone, and that is what this girl did for me.

                  I'm not at all suggesting that you or anyone else get on their horse and literally "do nothing," I am just telling you a personal story. But if your horse has done nothing wrong to you, and you love him, I think you should find a trainer with a new perspective and try to work it out. Honestly, probably not a hunter trainer though. No offense to anyone, but all of my confidence issues trace back to hunter trainers who only taught me how to look pretty, not how to actually ride. An eventer rider did the trick for me! And I'm not saying your trainer is bad, but sometimes, you need a new set of eyes on the situation. A trainer whom I had ridden with several times saw my new horse and was like, "No, you shouldn't have that horse." But this new gal saw me and my new horse and said, "this is what you have to do to make this relationship with this horse work..."

                  I hope that was helpful. Or at least exciting, because it's a success story. Good luck in whatever you decide to do with him!
                  Originally posted by BabyGreen
                  I think you should argue about this for the next 40 years, or until one of you dies.

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                  • Original Poster

                    #29
                    Thank you both for your thoughts! I'm still always looking into more opinions. I originally had him with a hunter trainer for that six months, and at the end I was getting better with him. That trainer was too far away though to continue and so I've actually moved over to an eventing barn, but my guy is a hunter at heart I feel. He has scope and I think he has some talent, but there is no way I'd ever feel comfortable on the cross country field with him.

                    I am glad to hear your success story, mvspencer. That is pretty much how I am - getting out of my comfort zone has really gotten me hurt. I used to be pretty much invincible on a horse, except when jumping. I am pretty stubborn and want to jump for whatever reason that makes no sense, but I do. Now that I don't ride eight hours a day six days a week, I don't have that balance or confidence anymore. I feel like I have slid so far back it isn't even funny.
                    Adventures of the nontraditional Rocky in Dressage...
                    http://www.singlefootfarms.com/blog
                    https://www.facebook.com/SinglefootFarms

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                    • #30
                      Sounds like he would make a great mount for a junior /adult rider that wants something nice, maybe at a reasonable price & is working with a trainer. Their are a lot of riders that can do projects under supervision & with some training rides by a trainer. Perhaps talk to his prior trainer on as is pricing ( she knows him & ability) before paying board, training to resell. If he is talented, & sweet guy, could be a good fit for many. Let her help you broker the deal.., but hold control would takes ...

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                      • Original Poster

                        #31
                        I think you are right, there are plenty of people who would love to work with him I feel. Like I said - he's a good boy and never did anything to me! I just feel so unconfident on him. I would really prefer to have him get a refresher course before I put him on the market. I'd like to maximize what I can get for him so that I can purchase another horse that better fits me. Something been there, done that - maybe not the prettiest horse that may need some slight maintenance, but is safe. I don't need a horse that can jump 4 ft, as I think the max I would ever go is 3ft but that is a long ways from now.
                        Adventures of the nontraditional Rocky in Dressage...
                        http://www.singlefootfarms.com/blog
                        https://www.facebook.com/SinglefootFarms

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                        • #32
                          I don't event either, but eventers have no fear and I needed one to teach me their ways. I admire their courage, but that certainly isn't natural to me. Although, after this whole experience, I am a lot more comfortable getting on horses that I know are a challenge or green than I ever was before.
                          Originally posted by BabyGreen
                          I think you should argue about this for the next 40 years, or until one of you dies.

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                          • Original Poster

                            #33
                            Four years ago, I was riding lots of greenies and challenges (not over fences, of course), but after several different incidents both on a horse and off, I moved out of the equine field and into the office. I feel like it's all gone.

                            And here I have this big, sweet gelding who has done nothing wrong and I can't make myself get on him. It really isn't fair to him.
                            Adventures of the nontraditional Rocky in Dressage...
                            http://www.singlefootfarms.com/blog
                            https://www.facebook.com/SinglefootFarms

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                            • #34
                              So this is a tough love answer that is meant with kindness and compassion but isn't going to sound flattering.

                              You need to sell this horse now and move on, even if you take a loss on him, and even if it costs you money to get him legged up.

                              You keep saying how you hope to buy something else that fits and wishing you were a match, but the truth is, you need to take yourself out of the equation and do right by him. You are very focused on what will work for you, but you are putting your needs, dreams, and ambition ahead of him.

                              You bought a horse you couldn't ride. Happens to everyone. Now you need to give him a chance to be successful. In the year that he's been sitting, he has lost fitness in addition to training. How much will a lessee care about properly leggings up your horse? It's also another strike against him. It's time to invest in him and send him on his way so that he can have a chance at a decent life. Pay someone to leg him up and then pay for 30 days and get him sold. Each moment you're waffling makes his value go down.

                              We all get our dreams pinned up on what could be. I think that's why people love OTTBs. But that is us trying to use horses to fulfill our fantasies or ambition. It's not ethical to hold the horse accountable for such things. When we buy an animal, it's our job to ensure their well-being even if it means giving up our own agenda. Don't keep him from finding a home and a partner who truly enjoys him because you are unhappy that you're not that person. That kind of choice is what distinguishes horsemen from wannabes.

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                              • Original Poster

                                #35
                                I actually took him as a favor to someone else, as he was in a bad situation and needed to be helped. The goal was to keep him in training until I could ride him, but after I got hurt I could no longer afford it. If wishes were horses, I would suppose.

                                As I am hurt again, it's tough to put together the funds to put him back in training. I can afford him, but not the extra money it is going to take to train him right, so it's going to be a month. Then he will be ready right as people are starting to shop as the weather gets warm.
                                Adventures of the nontraditional Rocky in Dressage...
                                http://www.singlefootfarms.com/blog
                                https://www.facebook.com/SinglefootFarms

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                                • Original Poster

                                  #36
                                  My big guy goes to my trainer on Sunday for a refresher course and to be sold. I have had more fun health issues, so I have made the decision to stop eventing and do dressage with my little Rocky mare instead. It makes even more sense not to keep him, since he has some talent to jump and I would love to see him somewhere that does.
                                  Adventures of the nontraditional Rocky in Dressage...
                                  http://www.singlefootfarms.com/blog
                                  https://www.facebook.com/SinglefootFarms

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                                  • #37
                                    Well, that's good to hear and you did learn the life lesson some were trying to convey in their advice. It's all good, look ahead. You haven't slid back or lost anything, you have just had your life move in a different direction. Life does that, don't resent it or fight it, you will lose every time. Roll with it, who knows what lies ahead.
                                    When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

                                    The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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                                    • Original Poster

                                      #38
                                      I thought I would update on Atlas (two years has passed - really??) for anyone interested. Last month, Atlas finally found a new home. It took a year and a move to three different trainers (for different reasons), but he did. I will say, he ended up going from greenie who made me very nervous to super broke dressage horse who was a great lower level guy. He ended up with a lovely woman in Maine, and I'm very happy with his home. I'd contemplated keeping him when I saw how broke he was, but he just didn't have the talent in dressage that I needed, he was now just more of a packer (funny, considering the beginning of this thread), so after a lot of thought I stayed the course and let him go.

                                      I ended up losing out the nose on his training, but got enough money to put towards a lovely 4 year Oldenburg gelding with an amazing mind and some very nice gaits. I'm absolutely in love with this guy and the journey thus far has been fantastic.

                                      I know parts of this thread resemble a squirrel attempting to cross the road... I've not finished my MBA, it'll be forever before I do. Went from hunter to eventer to dressage... Moved trainers from hunter (that was when I got hurt the first time) to eventer (when he started in training again) back to the hunter barn, to the dressage barn I ride with now. No fault of anyone. Sorry this is still in H/J - it was relevant when I started, LOL
                                      Adventures of the nontraditional Rocky in Dressage...
                                      http://www.singlefootfarms.com/blog
                                      https://www.facebook.com/SinglefootFarms

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                                      • #39
                                        Originally posted by classicrocky View Post

                                        That's what I'm afraid of, that I won't ever get comfortable on him. I know that someone else will love him, but it is just difficult letting go. Again, I've sold a lot of horses so why is it him that makes it tough?
                                        Let him go to someone who can really enjoy him and take him as far as he can go. I know it's hard, but you are better off to buy an older packer you can have fun on.
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                                        • #40
                                          Just saw this is old, lol. Glad it worked out!
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