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    Re: Horse of Del.Val. Pg. 30 How about THAT!
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    Re: Horse of Del.Val. Pg. 30 How about THAT!

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      PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE....what about what?????

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      • #4
        This sounds like it could be an interesting topic for everyone.

        Can you please provide some more info for those of us in other areas of the country that do not know this publication?

        I can sort of guess what you are speaking of, but more info will be helpful

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          "This year, for the Medal Finals, horses will have to be in the Farm Show Arena by noon on Sat., the day before the Finals. All equitation horses will be stabled together in one compound and will be monitored around the clock for feeding, watering and exercise" Maybe someone can copy the whole article. Quotes Carol Thompson (last years judge) as saying "instead of the juniors preparing their horses themselves, often those horses are ridden almost all night the night before by the trainers to get them to behave perfectly" The article ws written by Sara Cavanaugh Ed.

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          • #6
            IT'S ABOUT TIME...WE WILL SEE THIS HOPEFULLY TRICKLE DOWN THROUGH THE ENTIRE SHOW SCENE. IT'S GOING TO COST US BUT EVERYONE WILL SLEEP BETTER AT NIGHT.

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            • #7
              Wow, this will put a crinkle in at least two barns that i know of that school off the grounds "extensively" all day saturday.

              Its about time!

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              • #8
                Utter nonsense.Who are these experts who will determine what is best for over 200 INDIVIDUAL horses with different needs.Sounds like the FEDERATION is again going to take it upon itself to tell owners,riders,trainers,grooms,farriers and veterinarians how to care for train and medicate their own horse or pony.How Absurd and dangerous.

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                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by upperco:
                  Utter nonsense.Who are these experts who will determine what is best for over 200 INDIVIDUAL horses with different needs.Sounds like the FEDERATION is again going to take it upon itself to tell owners,riders,trainers,grooms,farriers and veterinarians how to care for train and medicate their own horse or pony.How Absurd and dangerous.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                  Utter nonsense? I don't know about all that...sounds to me like the management is just choosing to take a stand against cruel or unfair treatment of the animals involved, and has decided that monitoring them for this (brief) period is the best way to go about doing that.

                  I have not read the whole article, but it does NOT seem likely that there are going to be "experts" telling riders, grooms, vets etc. what to do with their horses. It is far more likely, (IMO), that they will simply assure that horses will be given proper care/treatment, in the sense that none will be deprived of food or water (in order to "get the quiet"), or excessive (multiple hour) "training"/"schooling"/lunging and/or cruel training methods.

                  I think this could be a very commendable step towards upholding the stand the USEF is trying to take against cruelty/abuse. It will certainly (and rightly) discourage illegal use of meds. It will also ensure that all schooling is done on the grounds, so that any abusive behavior can/will be observed by stewards and the appropriate punishments will follow.

                  As long as these riders/trainers aren't doing anything illegal or inhumane, they should have nothing to worry about. I think this is a great example to set for the riders-many of whom will go on to become professionals/actively involved in the sport for years to come. It encourages them to practice good horsemanship, and not look for an easy way out (ie: having someone wear their horses down all day and night until they are dehydrated and tired).

                  Grand Prix's require that horses are on the grounds for the 24 hours prior, and other big events for juniors, such as the NAYRC require a whole lot more! That finals is run under FEI rules, and thus they are subject to zero-tolerance drug testing, soundness inspections, etc.

                  With all the issues with abuse/drugging etc. that have come to the surface of the USEF collective consciousness recently, I think it seems perfectly appropriate that such an important show adopt measures to take a stand against such issues-particularly when juniors are involved.

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                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by upperco:
                    Utter nonsense.Who are these experts who will determine what is best for over 200 INDIVIDUAL horses with different needs.Sounds like the FEDERATION is again going to take it upon itself to tell owners,riders,trainers,grooms,farriers and veterinarians how to care for train and medicate their own horse or pony.How Absurd and dangerous.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                    Did you know that people will literally have the horses ridden all night long or all day the day before? Literally. I know horses who weren't given food or were given just barely enough water to help take the edge off. It sucks for the horse pretty bad if you ask me.

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                    • #11
                      i think it will have little to no impact, whatsoever, because the *majority* of horses are cared for beautifully and, while possibly medicated (it's the end of a long year for those guys), they are legally medicated. The riders who have been winning all year are still going to win, if there's a cinderella story its not going to be because of this stabling method...

                      so, what will this rule do? it will only effect the FEW horses that are treated HORRIBLY, and since no one is "hurt" by this rule that shouldn't be, it's a good one.

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                      • #12
                        Perhaps this will keep the occasional horse from dropping dead from exhaustion and dehydration. Even better, maybe this will help catch the people whose horses collapse and seize on the floor from the calcium shots in the morning then go into the classes and win in the afternoon.

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                        • #13
                          why stop at the eq horses? another words, shouldn't all the horses be treated the same? i would think the problem extends farther than just the eq ring. jmho!
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                            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by noname:
                            why stop at the eq horses? another words, shouldn't all the horses be treated the same? i would think the problem extends farther than just the eq ring. jmho!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                            No, but eq horses are notorious for getting the crap ridden out of them..why do you think riders have multiple eq horses? Because one horse alone can't take that pounding!

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                            • #15
                              I have always wondered about depriving horses of feed and water before a class - that, for my horses, ALWAYS makes them MUCH worse (OK - I don't deprive, but I have had enough long days at shows where, when the class is AFTER their scheduled feeding time, and they don't get fed, they are truly pissy!!!)

                              I would think the old racehorse trick - if you DON'T want your horse to win the race, you feed AND water it RIGHT before the race - would work better...

                              I think this is an excellent idea - rather like the FEI horses' quarentine!

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                                <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Box-of-Rox:
                                i think it will have little to no impact, whatsoever, because the *majority* of horses are cared for beautifully and, while possibly medicated (it's the end of a long year for those guys), they are legally medicated. The riders who have been winning all year are still going to win, if there's a cinderella story its not going to be because of this stabling method...

                                so, what will this rule do? it will only effect the FEW horses that are treated HORRIBLY, and since no one is "hurt" by this rule that shouldn't be, it's a good one.

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                                I totally agree. Those that are treating their horses well will have no problem with this change. For those that aren't, it's about time someone took a stand and decided that horsemanship and abuse don't go together!
                                I love this idea, I only wish it had happened a lot sooner. Should be an interesting Medal Finals this year.

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                                • #17
                                  Sounds like a step in the right direction to me. Wonder how drastically this development will affect the placings?
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                                  • #18
                                    Wow. It's a step in the right direction as far as I'm concerned. Thank you USEF!!! Big thumbs up!!

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                                    • #19
                                      Sounds like they suspect some people of pretty harsh practices. My only concern is for the horses that do better after a night of turn out and walking around. Many of the equitation horses have been around the block and standing in a stall overnight does nothing for their soundness. That's like telling the big-time eventers that they can't handwalk their horses after the cross country phase.

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                                      • #20
                                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by katherine w:
                                        Sounds like they suspect some people of pretty harsh practices. My only concern is for the horses that do better after a night of turn out and walking around. Many of the equitation horses have been around the block and standing in a stall overnight does nothing for their soundness. That's like telling the big-time eventers that they can't handwalk their horses after the cross country phase.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                        Not really. The big time eventers run under FEI rules, which have supervised stabling, etc.
                                        I'm sure the Harrisburg horses will be allowed to be handwalked, as well. However, there are likely other practices which will not be allowed...

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