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Diving for grass when told NO!

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  • #21
    Some horses/ponies seem to always try this no matter how many times you correct them... I trail ride my gelding a lot and he was fine for years. Then maybe 5 years ago I started trailing riding him in a bosal and my western saddle. At first I thought "no harm done if I stand here and let him graze while lazily talking to my friends..."

    From that point on he learned he could graze under saddle and will always try me. It's my own gosh darn fault too

    But like someone else said, forward is almost always the answer. I'll pull up his head and nudge him along and he doesn't really fight too much.

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    • #22
      Instead of pulling their head up, you snap the lead rope so as your hand goes up and down quickly and it travels along the rope to the halter just as they put their head down.

      Be careful the first time you do it as they might get startled. You only have to do it 3 or 4 times as they go to put their head down and they will stop trying.

      When you pull their head up, as you are doing, you are training them that they can eat until pulled up and they will do that all day and night.

      With the snapping you do it as they put their head down and it is no fun and they learn that they cannot put their head down unless you say they can.

      I have a little piggy mare. She is very piggy about grazing and too fat anyway.

      She has been taught to stand still with her head up...... with 1 foot grass under her feet, untied with a halter on and off.

      We don't have any concrete or non grass areas to tack up on.

      If we are where the grass is longer and she can eat it without putting her head down, she thinks it is fair game. I say NO and take the grass out of her mouth. I am a mean Mummy.
      It is better to ride 5 minutes a day than it is to ride 35 minutes on a Sunday.

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      • #23
        I would tack up in the stall, tied, along with the other suggestions.

        You have to be consistent. No hand grazing.

        I have a haflinger cross, so only 1/2 evil. He tries to eat/play with/steal anything- food, brushes, hay, whatever. He keeps me on my toes.

        As soon as his head goes below a certain point, he gets reminded. If in the off chance he gets a bite, I take the toe of my boot and tap him under the chin. It's enough to send his head up, and it requires little effort on my part.

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        • #24
          Little kids have this problem all the time, until they master the horse and then the problem goes away, stored in the memory bank for the next child or unprepared adult. They never forget anything,.

          There is a rig called a grass rein that stops them getting their heads down.

          I don't let even my nicely mannered horse graze with a bit in his mouth, and if I had your pony he would never get the chance!

          He would either have a chain on his halter or a thin rope cowboy halter, if that is strong enough.

          Grazing - or yanking his head down - a stallion handler would give a toe-kick (only as hard as necessary) under the chin. They do not know where the bump comes from and don't hold it against you.

          I never advise roughing up a horse, but you have to handle your horse as gently as you can but as firmly as necessary.
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            #25
            Thanks!!!

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              #26
              Many thanks!!!

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                #27
                Many thanks!

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                  #28
                  Many thanks!!!

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by Foxtrot's View Post
                    Little kids have this problem all the time, until they master the horse and then the problem goes away, stored in the memory bank for the next child or unprepared adult. They never forget anything,.
                    OP's is already 14 years old. He'll definitely never forget

                    FWIW, the (gentle) toe kick used to work for my Connemara pony when I was too small for my arm strength to make any impact whatsoever. Pony used to try to beat me to it by stepping on my foot, pushing me over with his nose (couldn't catch myself) and then going about merrily grazing while I was stuck on the ground. Eventually I got big enough to be respected and he was on to his next victim.

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                    • #30
                      I agree with others - MY meathod?

                      I a stud chain and a LONG cotton lead rope. Why long? Less chance they can get away from you - and second, it works good for smacking their hiney!

                      When they go to pull - I don't just pull pull pull back - instead, a short, sharp correction to the nose with the chain, and a simultaneous SMACK to the butt with the other end of that rope!

                      It gets their head up, and gets them MOVING, I then spin them around back to me.
                      APPSOLUTE CHOCKLATE - Photo by Kathy Colman

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                      • #31
                        Originally posted by Tha Ridge View Post
                        He's a Connemara; what do you expect?

                        J/K, but boy, while they are WONDERFUL ponies, they sure can be stubborn.
                        Is that why my lease horse behaves that way??? He is a connemara and irish draft cross, but why is he 17.3????

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                        • #32
                          ^^^ We had a TB x Connemara cross, out of a 13.3 hand mare, he grew to 17 hands! He was supposed to fit my 5'1" sister - whoops!
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                            Yellowbritches! the dressage whip and firm No's and STOP IT worked like a charm!!!!!!!!!!!!! he stood there and tried to dive several times and the whip and verbal commands worked so he got a small carrot when he behaved. i also didn't have to use it on his rump many times, rather taping under his neck got his head up. More training to follow and THANKS!!!!!!!!!

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