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  • Paul Valliere hired to judge Equitation Final

    I recently heard that Paul Valliere (sp?) has been hired to judge some sort of equitation finals at Palm Beach. The finals is apparently non-USEF recognized. Does anyone know about this? If this is true what kind of message does it send to our junior equitation riders?
  • Original Poster

    I recently heard that Paul Valliere (sp?) has been hired to judge some sort of equitation finals at Palm Beach. The finals is apparently non-USEF recognized. Does anyone know about this? If this is true what kind of message does it send to our junior equitation riders?


    • #3
      It's not a junior eq class...it's for pros.


      • #4
        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Uberraschung:
        It's not a junior eq class...it's for pros.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

        Actually that's not quite right. The class is for anyone who has represented their country, which obviously would include a whole bunch of amateurs like Steinkraus.

        As a practical matter, I doubt many of them will actually compete, since the class is not on a weekend.


        • #5
          If this is indeed confirmed, can someone post the organization and contact info for whomever is putting this event on and hiring him? And if it's any kind of charity event, it would be helpful to have info on which charities are the recipients and any sponsors, too.


          • #6
            It is probably the Equus Medal that he coached last year. The one that Andre Dignelli won.


            • #7
              Yes-see the "baddies" thread for the official quote!


              • #8
                Here's the official press release, copied from the other thread (thanks Heelsdown!).

                "The $25,000 Equus Medal is once again returning to the Winter Equestrian Festival on Monday, March 8th. Unlike the previous class, it is now open to all riders (from any country) who have represented their country in a Nations’ Cup. The judging panel for this year’s event will be Norman Dello Joio, Paul Valliere and Ellen Raidt Lordy. If you are interested in competing or want some information on the event, contact Mason Phelps at the Special Events office 561 753-3389."

                So now we have a convicted child molester as announcer and a convicted horse killer as a judge. Boy, we can all be SO PROUD to be a part of this discipline.


                "Those who use horses just for the business are crass, classless horsemen."
                --George Morris
                "The standard you walk by is the standard you accept."--Lt. Gen. David Morrison, Austalian Army Chief


                • #9
                  Pssst, WA, PV didn't do the actual killing of the animals - please keep to the facts.

                  Stupid people bug me.
                  STOP!!! Where's that sense of humor???
                  That would be backwards


                  • #10
                    OK, so where do we send our emails to comment on this? Or should we flood Mason Phelps' answering machine?

                    Does the horse show office have an email? Obviously WEF is putting this class on. With copies to the muckety-mucks at the AHSA, too.

                    I know this is on a Monday, but perhaps what we need to do is to lobby for an emergency rule change saying "any days between back to back shows at the same location are also covered under AHSA rules".

                    Such a rule change would not be effective for this year, but it sends a message and would prevent such things in the future.


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                    Charles Krauthammer speaking about Trump


                    • #11
                      I was thinking along the same lines, LH. A rule change proposal that went something like - "suspended persons shall be prohibited from entering the show grounds at any time during the term of show management's lease of the facility"... You're a lawyer, would that work??

                      It would get around the "Monday defense" would it not?

                      Probably impossible to enforce, but at least it would put a rule in place to cover situations like this?


                      "Those who use horses just for the business are crass, classless horsemen."
                      --George Morris
                      "The standard you walk by is the standard you accept."--Lt. Gen. David Morrison, Austalian Army Chief


                      • #12
                        This is appalling-there are problems in all sports but to let a man who KILLED A HORSE judge others shows what little respect these people and the USEF have for our sport. The penalities are laughed at and ignored by the very people who handed down those penalities. It is sad that so much of our forums have to be dedicated to convicted horse killers, drugs, sex offenders etc. It is also sad that our children read these boards everyday and see the lack of respect that is demonstrated. How can anyone say (as has been said here) that drugs are ok, he really didn't mean it when it molested that child, brutal treatment of horses is ok as long as they win. Then when the children/teens acted out-we just can't believe their behavior.

                        Sorry this got so long but I have been reading all these posts (hundreds of them) and I just snapped!!!


                        • #13
                          whatdoIknow-yes he did kill the horse-even if he did not "pull the triger" so to speak-he participated in the killing no matter what his official role was.


                          • #14
                            Other ideas I kicked around last night (couldn't sleep):

                            Lobby the other 2 judges to refuse to participate?

                            All chip in for a full-page protest ad in COTH??

                            A cyber-petition to be presented to USEF and WEF management?

                            If we decide to do anything collectively, let's keep it ethical, legal & sane.

                            Other ideas, anyone??


                            "Those who use horses just for the business are crass, classless horsemen."
                            --George Morris
                            "The standard you walk by is the standard you accept."--Lt. Gen. David Morrison, Austalian Army Chief


                            • #15
                              Please count me in if it's decided a full page protest ad is in order. Because I'm on the other side of the border my opinion won't count for much in a letter writing blitz but my dollars still count!


                              "If you are going through hell, keep going." ~Churchill~
                              \"If you are going through hell, keep going.\" ~Churchill~


                              • #16
                                What about trying to get the newly-formed USEF Ethics Committee enrolled in some way?



                                "Those who use horses just for the business are crass, classless horsemen."
                                --George Morris
                                "The standard you walk by is the standard you accept."--Lt. Gen. David Morrison, Austalian Army Chief


                                • #17
                                  I called the number and stated that I just wanted to voice my dismay over the choice of PV judging this and was rudely told that "I will not have this conversation with you because management has determined that it is an acceptable situation" CLICK. I say start calling - I too will chip in for any ads or petitions. This is nuts.


                                  • #18
                                    Oh yeah - have we found out about any sposnors for this event yet - is this EQUUS magazine??? Perhaps an ad in there would be good.


                                    • #19

                                      You didn't by any chance get the NAME of the person to whom you were speaking, did you?


                                      "Those who use horses just for the business are crass, classless horsemen."
                                      --George Morris
                                      "The standard you walk by is the standard you accept."--Lt. Gen. David Morrison, Austalian Army Chief


                                      • #20
                                        Didn't have enough time to - he hung up too quickly!!! - He's there now - give him a call!