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  • Equitation testing using mph instead of gaits?

    Today I was watching two of our barn's riders show in 12-14 age group equitation on the flat. Instead of "sitting trot" or "canter", the judge called for, at various times, the riders to transition to 4 miles per hour, 6 mph, 8 mph, and 10-12 mph.

    I'd never seen it asked for that way. Is this common, or was it an anomaly??

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    Today I was watching two of our barn's riders show in 12-14 age group equitation on the flat. Instead of "sitting trot" or "canter", the judge called for, at various times, the riders to transition to 4 miles per hour, 6 mph, 8 mph, and 10-12 mph.

    I'd never seen it asked for that way. Is this common, or was it an anomaly??

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    • #3
      wtf?

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      • #4
        Wow, that would be way too confusing for me. Kudos to those kids that figured it out!

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        • #5
          i was thinking the same as BoR! she beat be to writing "wtf?"

          I would have put my horse in the middle of the ring and started cracking up. The only reason I halfway know the speeds is from pony club about 100 years ago

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          • #6
            Glad I wasnt in that class....I'm suprised the stewards didnt have something to say about that. Was it rated?

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            • #7
              Holy crap. If someone asked me to do that I would just keep cantering but make it slower or faster depending on what they said lol. Techinically they really couldn't penalize you if you went the speed they wanted because they never said which gate it should be in!

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                "WTF?" was a common reaction. Class had experienced Eq. riders who are at the top of the standings in the state (GHJA) circuit and also do the A shows. It was GHJA local-rated, and according to the prize list an "R" rated judge. He ultimately scrapped that plan, but not before generally confusing everyone expressing annoyance by having the announcer call for "6 mph" several times and having the announcer add "riders use your thinking caps" when no one was doing sitting trot. The closest anyone came to that one (from what I could see) was Bayoubet4, who had a collected rising trot b/c they hadn't been asked to sit (though that's what they eventually announced that 6mph was supposed to be). It was unusual.

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                • #9
                  Seriously- WTF. I have been riding for 24 years and I wouldn't have an idea what the speed limit is, plus I ride a draftX and his speeds are all screwed up. 4 MPH would be full gallop for me. I can see that being common terminology for roadsters, but this seems way out of whack. I can only imagine the blank stares. I wish I was there.

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                    Just My Style, it was quite interesting. He did heavy testing in every class, which actually was a nice change and thrilled the girls who always practice and never get to put it to use, but the whole mph thing was just out of left field. He didn't do it again after causing such a stir in that one class, but he sure acted like the whole world should have known what 4/6/8/10-12 mph represented

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                    • #11
                      Hahaha instead of putting optimum time classes in the jumpers they should just have the speed limit posted. I wonder which ticket would get my parents more upset.. speeding ticket in a car, or on a horse!?

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                      • #12
                        I wouldn't have gotten "sitting" from 6mph. If I was having a good neuron day and hadn't completely blanked the instant I walked into the ring, as I am wont to do, I might have figured out 6mph was collected since I have a vauge awareness of the mph of the gaits (4 is walk, 8 is working trot, 12 is canter, right? Or close to it, at least? ).

                        But, that's a little whack - maybe for collection/extention, but to assume that everyone will go, "AH! Collected means sitting, of course.." is uhm.. unique.

                        Oh, and the odds of my NOT blanking and sitting there, going "WTF?!" while in a class? Very, very small.. but is sure is EASY to sit here now and go, "oh, I'd so get that.. " I love deskchair jockeying..

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                        • #13
                          The only way my horse would go faster than 5 mph is if he was in a trailer with his fat butt being driven around. I would have been totally lost. What did your trainer say? I am sure she was amused, especially since you are all really well schooled. It would take a lot to stump your barn. Too funny.

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                            Just My Style, my trainer's view, aside from WTF, was that were we taking up eventing, that might be useful for cross-country And yes, our Eq. riders are very well-prepared for testing (they were first and second in the GHJA Jr. Equitation Challenge on the flat later in the day with very extensive testing), and frankly are always hoping to get tested. But this was a new one . . . Bayoubet4, who posts here occasionally, got the speed but didn't sit.

                            The judge ultimately ended up announcing that he pinned the class based on the testing that took place prior to the mph debacle!

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                            • #15
                              Hahaha, gotta love the GHJA That happened to me in the a JD Pounds class one time, they asked us to do something (I can't even remember what it was now) and none of us knew what they were talking about! Finally one of the trainers yelled it from the side of the ring... whoops

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                              • #16
                                Of course, being a conversion-challenged dork from eventer land, I would still have no clue!!! I've always seen meters per minute, not mph, so I would have to sit in the center scratching my head trying to do the calculation.

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                                • #17
                                  Was there myself today..... and I was GLAD someone is using that "system".... basic pony club, basic hunter paces AND several WELL known EQ trainers use this "style" and what does it do,...... ?????? Picks the THINKERS from the couch potatoes!

                                  FLAME SUIT ON!!!!!!

                                  Hey guys.....think about it.....is it that terrible to pick up a BOOK and read it? That's how some of the parents standing on the side lines knew. YUP there are books AND magazines who have a sections JUST on this MPH subject!

                                  Riding is more then taking lessons and blaming your trainer for "not going over the basics" Well guys....this IS basics..... you should know how DIFFERENT people see speed, maybe some use MPH and some use technical terms, but gosh darn it.....EXPLORE YOUR WORLD!

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                                  • #18
                                    I agree that a well rounded background is important, however, the MPH is not a standard way that kids are taught gaits. Period. Since this was a GHJA sanctioned show the rules of the classes are either GHJA or by default, USAE. Neither one of these associations use MPH in any descriptions for hunt seat equitation classes. Therefore, in this case, it really was inappropriate to ask the children (it was 12-14, right?) to know this. Just because something is written in a book somewhere, does not mean that is is fair game as a test in an equitation class.

                                    I have an entire library of equestrian books (and yes, I have read them all) and I have never seen the MPH referral. I would love to know which books have this information be cause I will read up on those too.

                                    No, I wasn't a pony clubber so if that is where this comes from- please pardon my ignorance, but I am also not a barrel racer either. Without a doubt there are terms in that discipline that I wouldn't know, but that is why I don't barrel race. I would only expect to know H/J "terms" at a H/J show.

                                    I am not looking for an arguement. I think testing in equitation is fantastic. I applaud it. I think riders should be challenged. I dislike when horse shows are dumbed down, but, in this case, I think this particular terminology was a little too much for this grouping of kids to handle.

                                    Every once in a while a judge pulls a "gotcha" on a group and I think it's great. I was at Maclay Finals the year they used dismounting as a test. One rider went so far as to have their groom run in and give them a leg up- AT FINALS. You know why this was funny? Because it was one of the 18 AHSA tests. That's why. It was expected knowledge and not everyone had it.

                                    I will be curious to hear what some of the other people involved in the show have to say about this.

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                                    • #19
                                      Page 46 in George Morris's book Huntseat Equitation

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                                      • #20
                                        I was taught as a ten year old the gaits/ MPH. Walk -4, sitting trot- 6, posting trot- 8, canter - 12. We HAD to know them, along with the names of all the parts of the saddle and bridle, by the time we were cantering. Doesn't seem like too hard of a test. I guess it depends how you learned.

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