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  • #41
    Alto, I ordered and purchased 9 british made close contact jumping saddles (all buffalo leather) at wholesale price and paid just shy of 10,000.00
    This from a very reputable co. in the U.S.
    Obviously, U.S. contact made a bit of money also...

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    • #42
      Originally posted by Guin View Post
      If I were in the market for a custom saddle, I'd rather deal with an American company. Support US craftsman.

      Worst-case scenario, you could actually get to Connecticut to deal with them! http://www.smithworthington.com/


      the saddles I looked at on their website were all made in England.

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      • #43
        Originally posted by jlphilli View Post
        CWD bought out Devoucoux (legally purchased ownership of the company), but is "letting" Devoucoux run as a separate entity. Not sure what that exactly means as far as manufacturing, but that is what I heard from a CWD rep directly.
        I tend to be skeptical about anything that comes out of saddle rep's mouths, but I'm pretty sure lawyers don't throw the word "merger" around lightly so it looks like your rep was correct: http://www.axten.fr/en/actualites/pr...with-devoucoux

        What's weird to me is why they would still be pitting the CWD and Devoucoux reps against each other instead of sending them to try to recruit Antares, Voltaire and Butet barns to come over to EITHER brand (CWD or Devoucoux). Seems like a silly business strategy to me.

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        • #44
          Originally posted by kcap View Post
          I am open to anything at this point. The only problem I have with getting an unpopular brand is the resale value later. That is why I am really, really trying to buy a used saddle that will fit. My current saddle almost fits so it works good with a half pad but it hurts my back. That is the real reason behind buying a new saddle.

          My horse has the shark fin that just seems to throw a lot of the off the shelf saddles out. And I have back problems so I am trying to find a softer seat, which the french brands offer. I did try some of the cheaper off the rack brands without success. And I tried stubben and county. Stubben's fit was very good but the saddle hurt my back. And County didn't work for me or the horse which I was very surprised about.
          Stubben has about 15 different models at least and fantastic customer service (at least from my experience). You also can get them totally customized. They also have a biomex seat you can get, which I use, that was developed specifically for riders with back problems (which I have). So, just because one off the rack didn't fit you doesn't mean you should rule them out all together. There is a tremendous difference between models, and that is before you start customizing for you and your horse. Oh, and they are wool flocked so they are (relatively) easy to adjust if your horse changes shape or needs the flocking customized to fit an odd shape.

          When I bought mine, the rep asked a couple basic questions about me and my horse to figure out approximately what size we needed, brought out every model available, measured my horse to figure out what was needed and then had me ride in every single model to see what fit both me and my horse best. Then we determined exactly what I wanted. When the order came in, she delivered it to me checked the fit and had me ride in it again to make sure it was exactly what I wanted. Since the only customization I ended up needing was the biomex seat and deluxe leather (common upgrades), the entire process from first contact to saddle in my hands was about 3 weeks and a price of $2800. And it is a fantastic saddle that will last as long as I do (or longer, my dressage saddle is a vintage Stubben that is probably 30 years old at least and still in pristine condition). Way better than crappy service for twice the price or more.

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          • #45
            Originally posted by MistyPony View Post
            I tend to be skeptical about anything that comes out of saddle rep's mouths
            I totally understand you there!
            Originally posted by rustbreeches
            [George Morris] doesn't always drink beer, but when he does, he prefers Dos Equis

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              #46
              Originally posted by PoohLP View Post
              Stubben has about 15 different models at least and fantastic customer service (at least from my experience). You also can get them totally customized. They also have a biomex seat you can get, which I use, that was developed specifically for riders with back problems (which I have). So, just because one off the rack didn't fit you doesn't mean you should rule them out all together. There is a tremendous difference between models, and that is before you start customizing for you and your horse. Oh, and they are wool flocked so they are (relatively) easy to adjust if your horse changes shape or needs the flocking customized to fit an odd shape.

              When I bought mine, the rep asked a couple basic questions about me and my horse to figure out approximately what size we needed, brought out every model available, measured my horse to figure out what was needed and then had me ride in every single model to see what fit both me and my horse best. Then we determined exactly what I wanted. When the order came in, she delivered it to me checked the fit and had me ride in it again to make sure it was exactly what I wanted. Since the only customization I ended up needing was the biomex seat and deluxe leather (common upgrades), the entire process from first contact to saddle in my hands was about 3 weeks and a price of $2800. And it is a fantastic saddle that will last as long as I do (or longer, my dressage saddle is a vintage Stubben that is probably 30 years old at least and still in pristine condition). Way better than crappy service for twice the price or more.
              I did have a rep come out for the Stubben saddle. The biomex seat didn't do anything for my back unfortunately. My doctor suspects that my back pain has something to do with how my legs are on the saddle. So most likely stirrup bar placement and how the seat is fitting me and where it is lining up my hips and spine.

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              • #47
                Originally posted by kcap View Post
                My doctor suspects that my back pain has something to do with how my legs are on the saddle. So most likely stirrup bar placement and how the seat is fitting me and where it is lining up my hips and spine.
                Sounds like the seat is less the issue than the flap then. I'd focus on figuring out was flap configuration is comfortable and then go from there.

                Have you tried Black Country Saddles? I know a lot of people who really like them.

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                • #48
                  I wouldn't touch a Devoucoux with a 10ft pole, especially a "custom made" one. Between watching past boarders struggle with them and hearing all the horror stories of "custom made" saddles that absolutely DO NOT fit the horse they were intended for (which end up in the shop I work in for us to sell), it seems like a huge waste of time and money. Hands on or not, I haven't heard one good story about them fitting a horse and the saddle being perfect when it arrived.

                  I do think most of the French made saddles are a racket, to begin with, although some less than others (you might get me in a CWD). I'm not a big fan of the super soft leather or the foam panels. I rather spend my money on something English made, with tougher leather, and wool flocking. OP, if you're worried about resale, look into County and Black Country and Albion. County, especially, seem to be good saddles for the TBs, especially if you get skid row panels. I wouldn't spend the money on a new French one.
                  Amanda

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                  • #49
                    The starting price for a Devoucoux is $4800. That is for the Biarritz and Socoa, the two I tried. Basic is grain with calf seat and knee rolls. They include "free" stirrup leathers.

                    She was very professional and didn't say anything bad about CWD, but did mention that they are like "siblings that have to get along."

                    I ordered a Socoa in full calf for $5300.

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                    • #50
                      kcap - again Smith Worthington has specifics about the "seats" of their saddles and "working area" some are more centered that others. Also, adjustable stirrup bars are available. At least take a look at their website lots to look at and read.

                      Perhaps there is a dealer in your area?

                      The personel from the Hartford, Connecticut shop are present at "equine expos" as well. They have many, many saddles they send out for customers to try.

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                      • #51
                        If anyone is looking for a high end custom or semi-custom saddle in SoCal, I would definitely look into E-line Saddlery. Just saw these saddles at Paul's shop and they are as gorgeous as his dressage saddles! He has an excellent eye and years of experience custom fitting saddles. They range from $5000 - $6000.

                        Here is the link...
                        http://www.elinesaddlery.com/

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                        • #52
                          Paul Selvey's saddles are very well-crafted, though tend towards a deeper seat than a lot of others. He builds them from the tree up (so, fully customizeable) and they really do fit... I had him make one for my last horse (who was otherwise hard to fit), and it was lovely.

                          Alas, the new horse is an entirely different animal (of course), so now I ride in a CWD. I'll keep the Selvey, though, in case I find another Cinderella horse eventually.

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                          • #53
                            Originally posted by kcap View Post

                            My horse has the shark fin that just seems to throw a lot of the off the shelf saddles out.
                            You may want to keep in mind that many of the "custom" brands use essentially the same tree for every saddle. A shark fin wither likely needs a non standard tree as well. When you get a rep out ask about the tree options. A saddle costing $5k+ should really be custom. A woman at my barn got two Voltaires (jumping and dressage) and still has to use a riser pad because the shape of the tree and panels really doesn't match her horse's dropped back/high wither combo.

                            You might try Amerigo. They tend to be designed with TBs in mind and have a few tree shapes to choose from. Plus with wool flocking you can get the fit tweaked easier. Thay have good resale value as well.

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                            • #54
                              My experience with Devoucoux on 2 occasions was TERRIBLE to say the least so now I **WILL NOT** purchase their products. The first was having a fitter out to fit my horse and I. The fitter said that due to my leg length I had to have an 18" saddle. I fit a 16.5 flat or 17 deep and the 18 was very much too big for me, and due to my leg length I need a long/forward flap not a bigger seat size. We spent some time looking at options but in the end, her insistence on options that I knew were not going to work and her inability to work with my and my trainer (who agreed with me re the fit) ended with me going with another brand.

                              A few years later I bought a beautiful Devoucoux bridle, it was $750 + $250 for reins. I used it at 2 horse shows (total of 10 rides) and then in a dressage clinic - where on the 12th ride the reins broke in the middle of my extended canter. The rein broke in the middle and ended up wacking my horse in the face. I contacted the company, the reps and anyone else I could find associated with the company...and they refused to help me. The rep said it was a defect in the manufacturing (as did an independent tack repair/saddle fitter) and they couldn't be fixed. The rep said to take it up with the company, who would not return a single phone call or email.

                              I have worked with CWD for several years, and have a full set of their tack (saddle, bridle, breast plate, boots etc). All of it is used daily, and the saddle on multiple horses per day. Everything still looks new - even though it is in heavy use and over 3 years old. The customer service from my rep is excellent and the quality is top grade.

                              Save yourself the headache and stay away from Devoucoux =(

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                                #55
                                Still no progress on my saddle search.
                                I called one company for a real custom saddle and its just out of my price range. I had a hard enough time swallowing the $4500 price tag but $6000 is really out of it.

                                My max price tag is $4500. I did look at the smithworthington site. I am talking with them now, I have to send them outlines of my horse's back. I like the idea of Amerigo offering different tree options.

                                Are there any other brands that offer different trees?

                                I am feeling the pressure from my barn to get a CWD but I have heard alot of bad and good things. And I really, really do not like the rep.

                                Any thoughts on Antares? I heard they had problems with trees breaking but then I heard they fixed that problem. And they offer a cut back tree(I think) to distribute the weight better and keep it off the horse's shoulders.

                                Antares was the only saddle so far that hasn't hurt my back that I tried. I actually felt like I was in heaven on it. But I also want whats best for my horse.

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                                • #56
                                  I bought my custom Antares in 2002 and it has been a great saddle. I am certainly not a light rider and I have had no problems with the tree or any other part of the saddle. I would not hesitate to buy one again.

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                                  • #57
                                    I have had a Smith-Worthington and now have an Equipe (different horse), and have been happy with each,

                                    The Smith Worthington was a demo saddle that they adjusted to my horse (and for a great price, too! - under $2k). That thing looks exactly the same now as the day I bought it 4 or so years ago. And I was not diligent about the care of it!

                                    I have an Equipe Grand Prix now, which I LOVE. They seem to have a number of different styles, so there may be one that works for your horse. For example, we tried a different model on my guy and it was rocking everywhere, but the Grand Prix fits perfectly. I've had it for just over a year, and it's wearing very well. Looks brand new when cleaned & oiled! I have it for a TB with fairly prominent withers and huge shoulders. An Amerigo Vega was another that almost fit him, but didn't offer enough clearance for his shoulders.

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                                    • #58
                                      Originally posted by Guin View Post
                                      If I were in the market for a custom saddle, I'd rather deal with an American company. Support US craftsman.

                                      Worst-case scenario, you could actually get to Connecticut to deal with them! http://www.smithworthington.com/


                                      Yabbut, the saddle will be made in Britain. Also, you'll pay about French prices to get French-level fit-n-finish from most of Smith-Worthington saddles. Looking at their website and having worked with Curt Hanks, I do trust them to get fit right. But I have not ordered a custom saddle from them.
                                      The armchair saddler
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                                      • #59
                                        Price must have gone up, I bought my Dev in...'08? '09? And it was $4200 with a deal that lowered it to $3800, with some upgrades.

                                        My rep was meh, but the company is awesome and I LOVE my saddle. Fit me, and fits my gelding (not ordered for him) just fine so far. He isn't done growing yet, though at nearly 5.5 yeats old, I wish he'd stop .
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                                        • #60
                                          Have you tried a L'Apogee, Black Country or a Stackhouse? I have a bad back also and I have a L'Apogee and the only problem with it, is it does not it my present horse! Love the saddle and the customer service...
                                          Mai Tai aka Tyler RIP March 1994-December 2011
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