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  • #21
    Comingback you hit the nail on the head on two points.

    "French Saddle Makers" are making a killing on their saddles. HUGE MARKUP!
    (And are you sure they are really made in France?)

    Serious about a nice saddle at a reasonable price?
    Check out Smith Worthington.

    Of course then you won't be following the in crowd.

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    • #22
      Originally posted by Just Not Native View Post
      Comingback you hit the nail on the head on two points.

      "French Saddle Makers" are making a killing on their saddles. HUGE MARKUP!
      (And are you sure they are really made in France?)

      Serious about a nice saddle at a reasonable price?
      Check out Smith Worthington.

      Of course then you won't be following the in crowd.
      SW custom saddles also start at $4500

      "My" rep is over 1500km away and not planning on flying out any time soon - horse is NOT a candidate for distance fitting ... so I'm thankful for those French & English saddle companies that are marking up their saddles enough that I can have their rep actually put hands on my horse

      I'm thankful that company arranged a demo saddle for my use - we put more miles on it in 4 months than it had likely seen in 4 years.

      SW has a different marketing perspective

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      • #23
        Originally posted by BAC View Post
        With Devoucoux you are buying horrible customer service! I wouldn't take one for free. Do a search to find out more about them before you spend any money.
        x2. I wouldn't take one for free. I had a horrible experience as well.

        And FWIW--CWD bought out Devoucoux.
        Originally posted by rustbreeches
        [George Morris] doesn't always drink beer, but when he does, he prefers Dos Equis

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        • #24
          I second looking at a Voltaire, and if you buy end of season (now) the turn around time is very fast. We had 2 riders who got their custom saddles in 6 weeks. I got a used one from the rep (in great condition) and saved about $1k.

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          • #25
            Bitsa, do you know how long Voltaire will warrantee the tree on their saddles?

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            • #26
              Originally posted by BITSA View Post
              I second looking at a Voltaire, and if you buy end of season (now) the turn around time is very fast. We had 2 riders who got their custom saddles in 6 weeks. I got a used one from the rep (in great condition) and saved about $1k.
              I'll third the Voltaire! I got a new one (after my horrible Devoucoux experience), and couldn't be happier. I have had mine for a little over a year and a half now.
              Originally posted by rustbreeches
              [George Morris] doesn't always drink beer, but when he does, he prefers Dos Equis

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              • #27
                several years ago when I was looking for a jump saddle I went and saw everyone at a trade fair (Rolex) and sat and spoke with them all. A little American company was so helpful and I loved the saddle was L'Apogee. Yes, it is made in France but it is run by an American company. Customer Service A++.... I would give them a call also. They are in Va... I know Kitty does plenty of custom work.
                Mai Tai aka Tyler RIP March 1994-December 2011
                Grief is the price we pay for love- Gretchen Jackson
                "And here she comes. Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No, it's ZENYATTA!"

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                • #28
                  I guess that 300 or 400 percent markup is understandable...
                  How much do you really think the saddle cost to make?
                  I would say, no more than 1,000.00. Less "in one of the other countries"....

                  SW total custom = 4500-5000

                  SW "off the rack" French style" close contact = 3600 (they do allow changes)

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                    #29
                    I am open to anything at this point. The only problem I have with getting an unpopular brand is the resale value later. That is why I am really, really trying to buy a used saddle that will fit. My current saddle almost fits so it works good with a half pad but it hurts my back. That is the real reason behind buying a new saddle.

                    My horse has the shark fin that just seems to throw a lot of the off the shelf saddles out. And I have back problems so I am trying to find a softer seat, which the french brands offer. I did try some of the cheaper off the rack brands without success. And I tried stubben and county. Stubben's fit was very good but the saddle hurt my back. And County didn't work for me or the horse which I was very surprised about.

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by kcap View Post
                      I am open to anything at this point. The only problem I have with getting an unpopular brand is the resale value later. That is why I am really, really trying to buy a used saddle that will fit. My current saddle almost fits so it works good with a half pad but it hurts my back. That is the real reason behind buying a new saddle.

                      My horse has the shark fin that just seems to throw a lot of the off the shelf saddles out. And I have back problems so I am trying to find a softer seat, which the french brands offer. I did try some of the cheaper off the rack brands without success. And I tried stubben and county. Stubben's fit was very good but the saddle hurt my back. And County didn't work for me or the horse which I was very surprised about.
                      The Smith Worthington A/O is built for a shark fin. While the leather on my SW isn't as soft as the calfskin on my barnmates Antares, the actual seat is quite comfortable. As far as resale value goes, I did question it before I bought. However, most of the responses here and elsewhere was that I wasn't seeing used SWs because everyone keeps theirs forever. I liked it because I could get an off the rack saddle and still customize it (my tree is asymmetrical, like my horse, and panels were adjusted).
                      "Je suis Pony Owner."

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                      • #31
                        Originally posted by kcap View Post
                        My horse has the shark fin that just seems to throw a lot of the off the shelf saddles out. And I have back problems so I am trying to find a softer seat...
                        Take a look at Prestige. The flocked models accommodate high/long withers and they are quite comfy.
                        Patience pays.

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                        • #32
                          My L'Apogee fit 3 out of 4 horses and one, my horse of a lifetime, had Mt Witherest! withers. I did use a correction pad becuase he had huge divets behind the withers, he was older but in great shape. He was never back sore and I loved it. Even though it does not fit my current horse, he needs a hoop tree, none of the others would either. If you want wool flocked may I suggest and Amerigo..
                          Up to you but I would still look at everything even if it is not popular but if it works isn't that what it is about?
                          Mai Tai aka Tyler RIP March 1994-December 2011
                          Grief is the price we pay for love- Gretchen Jackson
                          "And here she comes. Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No, it's ZENYATTA!"

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                          • #33
                            I have an Antares Hampton Classic. Love the Antares.

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                            • #34
                              Originally posted by BAC View Post
                              With Devoucoux you are buying horrible customer service! I wouldn't take one for free. Do a search to find out more about them before you spend any money.
                              Originally posted by hequestrian View Post
                              I second this. My Devoucoux rep was quite nice but when I ordered a custom saddle and it arrived defective not once but twice I was appalled with how the US Sales Manager handled it. He was beyond rude and offensive. I gave them 2 opportunities and months of time to send me a quality product and they couldn't come through. Luckily I was able to get a full refund - that is probably the only good thing I have to say about it - but it wasn't without angst.

                              My CWD experience has been nothing but pleasant. They really stand behind their saddles and I will recommend them above Devoucoux every day.
                              Originally posted by jlphilli View Post
                              x2. I wouldn't take one for free. I had a horrible experience as well.

                              And FWIW--CWD bought out Devoucoux.
                              Add me to those who will NEVER spend another penny with Devoucoux. I had a horrible experience (chronicled here a few years ago and probably still available via search.) Suffice to say I had to get a lawyer involved to finally get the matter resolved and get my money back.

                              Custom (or more accurately, customized products) rightly cost more than off the shelf products. The cost alone doesn't bother me so much, as I am a capitalist at heart. But for the kind of money that these saddlers charge, they should offer decent service. That is a big part of what you are paying for with those prices.
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                              • #35
                                Originally posted by jlphilli View Post
                                And FWIW--CWD bought out Devoucoux.
                                I don't believe this is true. A CWD rep came out to our barn to try to get my trainer to switch from Devoucoux to CWD and told us this as well. It didn't make any sense to me why she cared what saddle my trainer rode in if CWD owned both brands now. I did some research and found out that CWD and Devoucoux entered into a partnership to give them greater bargaining power with leather suppliers, but were still operated as independent companies. This was last summer I believe so it's possible something has changed since then that I'm unaware of.

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                                • #36
                                  Originally posted by Kestrel View Post
                                  Bitsa, do you know how long Voltaire will warrantee the tree on their saddles?
                                  I don't Kestrel--but I am sure I can find out. PM me if you'd like the reps name.

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                                  • #37
                                    I may be just drinking the kool aid, but I swear riding with the Ogilvy jumper pad has helped with my back....might help if you don't have a perfect fit saddle too.

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                                    • #38
                                      Originally posted by MistyPony View Post
                                      I don't believe this is true. A CWD rep came out to our barn to try to get my trainer to switch from Devoucoux to CWD and told us this as well. It didn't make any sense to me why she cared what saddle my trainer rode in if CWD owned both brands now. I did some research and found out that CWD and Devoucoux entered into a partnership to give them greater bargaining power with leather suppliers, but were still operated as independent companies. This was last summer I believe so it's possible something has changed since then that I'm unaware of.
                                      CWD bought out Devoucoux (legally purchased ownership of the company), but is "letting" Devoucoux run as a separate entity. Not sure what that exactly means as far as manufacturing, but that is what I heard from a CWD rep directly.

                                      ETA--It seems it hasn't helped anything, as there was someone that posted something recently about a saddle they received that had stitching coming out, etc. So seems like SSDD.
                                      Originally posted by rustbreeches
                                      [George Morris] doesn't always drink beer, but when he does, he prefers Dos Equis

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                                      • #39
                                        Originally posted by Just Not Native View Post
                                        How much do you really think the saddle cost to make?
                                        I would say, no more than 1,000.00. Less "in one of the other countries"....
                                        Are you really this naive - have you priced even just the leather to manufacture a saddle in this product quality range?
                                        Not cheap patched & glued leather (which is what is used in the lower end saddles) but actual top quality hides?

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                                        • #40
                                          I also heard that CWD bought Arc de Triomphe..Never heard good things about Devocoux...
                                          Mai Tai aka Tyler RIP March 1994-December 2011
                                          Grief is the price we pay for love- Gretchen Jackson
                                          "And here she comes. Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No, it's ZENYATTA!"

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