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UPDATE- pg 10: Interesting time trying a horse this weekend...

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    UPDATE- pg 10: Interesting time trying a horse this weekend...

    I found a horse for sale on a local Facebook group page. Horse is in the 4 figures. He is old enough to have some local mileage, but is still greenish. I contacted owner, set up a time to try the horse.

    I let the owner know via email, and again in person when I arrived, that I had not jumped in 9 months, due to my current horse being injured/ now retired. She was fine with this. I asked if she would jump him higher (3'+) so I could see that he could, but I'd stick to 2'- 2'3. Great, no issues at all!

    Horse goes around like a pro with owner. I hop on, fences are lowered and I pop around a 2' course. We seem to be a good match. Owner's trainer walks in, talks up the horse, and I say 'Ya he's great! I haven't jumped in forever and he carted me around like a pro!'
    Trainer: WHAT?
    Me: Oh ya, my guy was injured, so I've been riding, but not jumping.
    Owner: Yes, I knew, but you'd have never known if you'd seen her go around! They're a great fit!
    Trainer: Get off the horse. You won't be purchasing him. He needs to go to a home where he will be in consistent training.
    Me: He would be. I've shown all over at the A/AA level, with a great program, and I'm looking to bring one along this time versus buying a 'made' horse.
    Trainer: No one *I* know would allow a student to go 9 months without jumping. What a joke. You deceived the owner into letting you get on her horse, something she would never had done if you had in fact told her in advance you hadn't jumped in that long.
    Owner: Trainer, she DID tell me. She also told me about her background, her current training situation, and I thought it could be a great fit.
    Me: Hop off horse, hand reins over to owner. 'Thanks for letting me sit on him. If your trainer lets you sell him, I'd like to buy him'
    Trainer: GET OUT, YOU WILL NOT BE BUYING THIS HORSE.

    So I did a little background on trainer/facility, as I thought "Ok maybe she owns the place and was mad that someone who hadn't jumped in a while popped around a small course, and had I gotten hurt I could have sued..."
    Nope, it's a boarding facility, and she is one of 4 trainers that works there.

    I contacted owner and said I'm still interested. She's taking the horse to a show this weekend (apparently sans trainer) so I'm going to watch and sit on him again.

    What would you have done differently in this situation? I thought I was covering my bases by letting everyone, that I thought was involved, know that I was rusty beforehand.

    This is the first time I've tried a horse in about 5 years, hopefully this isn't a new trend!
    Last edited by Gorgonzola; Jul. 29, 2014, 12:31 PM.

    #2
    She still might have premises liability even if she doesn't own the facility.

    That being said, she sounds crazy. Deriving from the fact that you haven't jumped in a while due to horse injury that you won't put this horse in a program seems to be a crazy leap of judgment. If the trainer wants to do a trainer-to-trainer situation and sell to a known program, she needs to work that out with the seller. Sounds like the seller and her trainer aren't on the same page at all. Not your problem.

    Trainer is walking in mid-showing and yet wants control over the sale? Sounds like owner/seller and trainer have some stuff to work out.

    Frankly, I'd just walk away from this situation and look elsewhere. Trainer seems dead set against you buying this horse and owner/seller is unlikely to disobey. The trainer will find some way to kill the deal if she cares that much. She's nutty.
    ~Veronica
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      #3
      To me it sounds like the trainer has other plans for the horse and was looking for a way to kill the sale...
      "Adulthood? You're playing with ponies. That is, like, every 9 year old girl's dream. Adulthood?? You're rocking the HELL out of grade 6, girl."

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        #4
        Originally posted by Ibex View Post
        To me it sounds like the trainer has other plans for the horse and was looking for a way to kill the sale...
        Yes, but she wasn't involved at all, she walked in as I was cooling out the horse... In emails from the seller, I couldn't tell that there was a trainer even involved (horse has been in and out of work for the last few months due to owner's work schedule).

        Really nice horse at a REALLY nice price...

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          #5
          Originally posted by Gorgonzola View Post

          Really nice horse at a REALLY nice price...
          yeah but REALLY crazy trainer involved
          ~Veronica
          "The Son Dee Times" "Sustained" "Somerset" "Franklin Square"
          http://photobucket.com/albums/y192/vxf111/

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            #6
            Originally posted by Gorgonzola View Post

            Really nice horse at a REALLY nice price...
            bingo!
            The cue card kid just held up an empty cue card. For a minute there I thought I had lost my sense of humor. --- Red Skelton

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              #7
              I will be the voice of dissent here...

              If you love the horse wave some cash at the owner, put the horse in the trailer and RUN.

              Once the horse is yours it won't matter anymore unless the trainer is a legitimate stalker, which seems unlikely.
              Originally posted by BAC
              I don't think FF's post was rude (not this one at least).

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                #8
                What a psycho. If you liked him and you really want him, I say just deal with the owner directly and forget the trainer. Leave the owner to work out the issues with the trainer.
                Adversity is the stone on which I sharpen my blade.

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                  #9
                  The kind of seller/client that would even entertain that bizarro discussion with the trainer is the type that is unlikely to go for a "I hand you cash, you hand me horse" quick'n'easy deal. Plus, I presume buyer wants a PPE. Worst case scenario is you set up a PPE, fall in love, spend the $$$, make arrangements and then the trainer kills the deal and/or comes after you for some additional commission. When it comes to crazy horse people, if you're working harder then them to make something happen-- odds are good YOU will be the one burned.
                  ~Veronica
                  "The Son Dee Times" "Sustained" "Somerset" "Franklin Square"
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                    #10
                    Snap! What a loony toon! I probably woulda cried! hahaha

                    I am with others that say put the cash in the owners hand and be on your merry little way - trainer has absolutely NO say after that happens. What happened to professionalism? You covered all of your bases and were forthcoming and honest! Doesn't happen often - sounds like trainer has some major issues. Grr! Song comes to mind, "Why ya gotta be so ruuuude!?" lol

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                      #11
                      Sounds to me like the trainer wants to kill the deal for money reasons which I can only imagine. Maybe trainer will get a fee if she brings in a buyer, but would not if seller finds her own buyer (you).
                      "Random capitAlization really Makes my day." -- AndNirina

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by french fry View Post
                        If you love the horse wave some cash at the owner, put the horse in the trailer and RUN.
                        I have visions of OP driving away with horse in the trailer, flipping the trainer the bird as she pulls away
                        Horse&Heeler

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by PeteyPie View Post
                          Sounds to me like the trainer wants to kill the deal for money reasons which I can only imagine. Maybe trainer will get a fee if she brings in a buyer, but would not if seller finds her own buyer (you).
                          I would put money on the issue stemming from this scenario.

                          Originally posted by lachelle View Post
                          I have visions of OP driving away with horse in the trailer, flipping the trainer the bird as she pulls away
                          That's pretty much exactly what I had in mind!
                          Originally posted by BAC
                          I don't think FF's post was rude (not this one at least).

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by ybiaw View Post
                            What a psycho. If you liked him and you really want him, I say just deal with the owner directly and forget the trainer. Leave the owner to work out the issues with the trainer.
                            This. Trainer wants to kill the sale, maybe isn't getting the kind of cut she wants. Just deal with the owner, set up the PPE at the show if you can.

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                              #15
                              Wow. That was... interesting. I think I would have done exactly what you did.

                              The fact that the owner repeatedly tried to defend the situation to the trainer is a good sign. If you're really ready to buy, I would let the owner know and be prepared to handle everything this weekend at the show. See/sit on him again, but if you like him, you take him home instead of the owner. It keeps everything outside of the trainer's barn. It does leave the owner to deal with the trainer, but that's up to her. It might also be easier for her to say "Horsey sold at the show this weekend to a really nice lady who is going to move him up the levels. It will be a great home for him." and leave it at that.

                              Good luck.
                              Proud member of the "I'm In My 20's and Hope to Be a Good Rider Someday" clique

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                                #16
                                You are buying the horse from the owner, not the trainer. Let her deal with the crazies!

                                One time when I was looking at horses I rode a horse that had been hunting first flight at Cheshire. My own horse was aged and I'd stepped him down to about 2'6". That horse took me around a 3'9 course like a babysitter. The trainer seemed to think it was an indication of the worth of the horse that he could do that!

                                Wish I'd bought him but he was worth so much as a hunt horse that we couldn't meet on price.
                                Equine Ink - My soapbox for equestrian writings & reviews.
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                                  #17
                                  Any chance you could get the PPE done at the show? Then you could buy him and take him directly home.
                                  I heard a neigh. Oh, such a brisk and melodious neigh as that was! My very heart leaped with delight at the sound. --Nathaniel Hawthorne

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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Wonders12 View Post
                                    The fact that the owner repeatedly tried to defend the situation to the trainer is a good sign. If you're really ready to buy, I would let the owner know and be prepared to handle everything this weekend at the show. See/sit on him again, but if you like him, you take him home instead of the owner. It keeps everything outside of the trainer's barn. It does leave the owner to deal with the trainer, but that's up to her. It might also be easier for her to say "Horsey sold at the show this weekend to a really nice lady who is going to move him up the levels. It will be a great home for him." and leave it at that.
                                    Agree with all of this. Although you can't control what the owner of the horse would say to the trainer, that's exactly what they should say if this scenario happens.
                                    Adversity is the stone on which I sharpen my blade.

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                                      #19
                                      Sounds like the trainer wants to find the buyer and get a commission. Shame on her.

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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Dewey View Post
                                        Any chance you could get the PPE done at the show? Then you could buy him and take him directly home.
                                        that's what I'm hoping!

                                        Looking up the show vet now, and will be bringing trailer with me!

                                        Looking back, I'm really glad I didn't give my trainer's name in the process... Wouldn't have wanted her to get attacked by this woman too!

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