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Horse Sales Advice- Trials Out of State?

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  • Horse Sales Advice- Trials Out of State?

    So I know trials on sales are a much debated topic, and I am curious what experienced ammy's and pros do in this situation. Due to family medical issues I am forced to sell my hunter prospect sooner than I would like and have encountered numerous buyers (including pros) who have asked could I do a trial. However, they will be located states away!

    Let's say, for argument's sake, that you have decided you would allow trials on your horse. Is it common for pros to ask for or expect an out of state trial more than a few hours away? When they don't have a relationship to the seller's trainer or a good reference from another local trainer?

    I am based out of SE PA and sold my last project to a home in TN. The buyer came for a long weekend and rode the horse a few times before making a decision. I have suggested out of state buyers come and try the horse multiple times, do a week lease, and even take the horse to a show here if they need to test suitability. I understand with show schedules it is hard for a trainer to be available for more than one day when they are traveling out of state, but it sounds like a major liability even with insurance, that god forbid something would happen I would not be able to be present to make any emergency decisions. It's just not something I would ever feel comfortable doing.

    The power of the internet brings a lot of horses to people's finger tips, but if they want to try it they still need to travel, right?

  • #2
    The potential buyer needs to come to the horse, not the other way around.

    Do not send the horse to someone you do not have experience with for a trial. The situation you seem to be in, is the one buyers both professional and amateur take advantage of.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Show boots View Post
      The potential buyer needs to come to the horse, not the other way around.

      Do not send the horse to someone you do not have experience with for a trial. The situation you seem to be in, is the one buyers both professional and amateur take advantage of.
      Yes, I most certainly am savvy enough to know that the risk is not worth the loss of the horse! I was just completely taken aback that so many people that seem to be professionals (from what I gathered) would ask for a trial on a horse out of state! I get a lot of "my buyer is very interested and I have a number of clients looking."

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      • #4
        Originally posted by tua37516 View Post
        Yes, I most certainly am savvy enough to know that the risk is not worth the loss of the horse! I was just completely taken aback that so many people that seem to be professionals (from what I gathered) would ask for a trial on a horse out of state! I get a lot of "my buyer is very interested and I have a number of clients looking."

        It sounds to me like people trying to take advantage of you and your situation. It's one thing to ask for the horse to be brought and stabled at a horse show that is near where you are for a week, it's not appropriate for any one to ask you to drop off the horse. It's not done in the business, unless the place is a sales barn, or between trainers with a very very good working relationship, and it usually has a set end date.

        I really do think if the trainer is so interested in the horse they need to make arrangements to come up, ride the horse, if they like it vet the horse, and if the horse passes the vet they can lease the horse for a week of horse showing, where they cover costs.

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        • #5
          Have you read this thread?

          http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/sh...ida-Horse-Saga

          I wouldn't send a horse out of state. A few farms over? Maybe.

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            #6
            Originally posted by lcw579 View Post
            Have you read this thread?

            http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/sh...ida-Horse-Saga

            I wouldn't send a horse out of state. A few farms over? Maybe.
            LOL Ok... so my gut feeling that "this is nuts" is right! The first time I was asked I blew it off, the second and third I was kind of like "do people really do this?"

            Not something I would have ever done but I was curious when I got asked so many times. Must be the downfall of online sales.

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            • #7
              No, the buyer and the Pro in whose care it will be living comes and tries the horse FIRST. Then you can talk about a weeks trial or something. BUT only if the people on the other side are known and trusted, you are familiar with the operation of the facility where the horse is going and ONLY with deposit, written contract and insurance. If you don't know them and there is no reference from somebody you do know? That would be no, no, no, no, no and no.

              And even if known with references, NO they cannot take it off that property to show without express prior written consent and, honestly, I'd call that a short term lease and charge a lease fee. Or call it a lease with option to buy. They need to pay to play if they want to go horse show without buying it.

              Posted earlier about the increasing popularity of trying them at shows so buyer and their Pro can see, compare and try and seller and their Pro never let the horse out of their sight. And that's a win win all around.

              Don't be afraid to insist on your terms when selling and not trust faceless entities in cyberspace have the the best interests of your horse at heart. Just say no.


              That Florida Horse Saga thread is an extreme case but many, many cases of far less dramatic but still total PITA situations complicate getting horses back from out of state trials. Or even local off site trials but at least you can hitch up and go get it in a few hours max. As opposed to orchestrating time off work to travel or hiring a commercial shipper and hoping they will surrender your horse to said shipper.

              These things can work if you know and trust the other side, otherwise they can turn really bad real quick.
              When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

              The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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              • #8
                Are you located far enough away that them coming to try the horse is an issue? When I've had a sense that things were going to work out, I've trailered a horse across a few states and let them try the horse while I was in town. I've also sent horses across the country for a swap, where we each kept the respective horse for a week. I think if you're dealing with reputable people, and you know exactly what you are selling and are up front about it, insurance, return arrangements etc., it can work. The issue is when you start dealing with crazy or dishonest people. Try to avoid that
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by lcw579 View Post
                  Have you read this thread?

                  [url]http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?121252-Games-Trainers-Play-The-Florida-Horse-Saga[/.
                  I just read that whole thread! Crazy!

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                  • #10
                    I want to note that the original poster said she is selling a PROSPECT. I have one of those for sale also, and I have said no to 2 trials now. I just don't think it's appropriate to send a young horse out- and to a different state is downright absurd!
                    If someone puts some bad rides on an old campaigner its one thing. If they choose to crash a baby, now you have to undo all kinds of damage.

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                    • #11
                      Missed the prospect part.

                      Absolutely NO trial. What exactly do they want to see at home with a very green horse? How high it jumps? How hard can they push before it breaks?

                      Oh, wait....they do that with finished horses too...
                      When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

                      The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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                      • #12
                        say no to the trial. If they like the horse, they should travel to your farm to try it out.

                        there is too much that can go wrong, too much liability, etc. for this to work well in most cases.

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                          #13
                          Thanks all for the reinforcement. I think it was downright crazy to send a young horse out anywhere other than "a few farms over" so to speak.

                          Good news is I have a few real appointments, one of which being a girl who showed in the same division as my youngster did this past weekend (on a friend's horse), and was so impressed she is coming to try her tonight! Fingers crossed

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