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  • The impossible to bit Hunter?

    I have a mare whose mouth is simply too small for bits - her snout is tiny, her lips are short, her palate is low and her tongue is thick. There just really isn't any room.

    I have tried EVERYTHING - the only bit she somewhat tolerates is 5 inch curved barrel mouth dee with copper inlay and hooks. However, even with this you can tell she is kind of uncomfortable. She is incredibly well behave, jumps 4 feet no problem, can be galloped by children, ect. Her teeth are always kept up to date, and were done less than two months ago.

    In a hackamore, she is perfect. In a bit, she is perfectly well behaved but looks annoyed.

    This horse will be showing hunters this year. My question is this: I know horses with injuries are sometimes allowed to show in hackamores, with a vet's note. If a vet determined her mouth was simply too small for a vet, could she show hunters in a hackamore?

    And here is the horse in question, in her hackamore:
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    She is lovely! Have you tried a very thin mouthpiece? People think they are harsh, but only in rough hands - if you are
    light with your hands that mouthpiece can be soft too.

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    • #3
      Have you tried different models of the myler mouth pieces? They tend to be thinner and different ones would follow her mouth and allow room for her tongue. Maybe let her just pack one around in her mouth for a while...under her hackamore with no reins attached. Let her get use to the feel of it before you ride off of it...just keep riding from the hack.

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      • #4
        I second the Myler recommendation. My hunter goes in the Myler D with a copper roller and he loves it. The mouthpiece is quite thin and it has no nutcracker action and my low-palleted guy loves it. Might be worth a shot!
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          I have tried very thin mouth pieces - the only issue with this is that she is used as a school horse, though only one person is allowed (other than myself and our trainer) to ride with the bit. She will be showing the mare this summer, and has fairly good hands.

          Does anyone know of anyone in Canada who makes custom bits?

          ETA: We did try some mylers, which she went okay in but she prefers her current bit. It is pretty thin, though not "razor" thin. I think its 14mm diameter.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Preposterous Ponies! View Post
            I have a mare whose mouth is simply too small for bits - her snout is tiny, her lips are short, her palate is low and her tongue is thick. There just really isn't any room

            I have tried EVERYTHING - the only bit she somewhat tolerates is 5 inch curved barrel mouth dee with copper inlay and hooks.
            Your horse is very cute! I've got to say, though, that if she's wearing a 5" bit (and it fits), her muzzle isn't that small. I as expecting something the was too small for a pony bit. Arabs, with tiny, tiny muzzles, wear bits all the time. Maybe check a catalog for something there.

            Have you tried mullen mouths? that would help with a pallet/thick tongue...as long as you had enough control.
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              I would contact Jay Shuttleworth and have him make a bit for your mare. He is an absolute genius and has seen it all. If anyone can come up with a bit that your horse will be happy with, it's Jay.
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              • #8
                Have you tried a loose ring thin myler (with the regular comfort-snaffle type middle)? Some funny mouthed horses like the sliding O ring.
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                • #9
                  I had a pony once who went in a leather bit. Yep- regular dee rings, but the mouthpiece was leather. It was a pricey custom bit, but it just might work. I'm pretty sure Jay Shuttleworth (mentioned above) is the one who made it.
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                  • #10
                    I had a custom made no port D ring Myler bit made for a petite mare and it was great. I can't remember if it was 4 3/4 or if it was somewhere between that and 5". Unfortunately, I don't know if the guy who made my bit is around anymore. It was about 20 years ago.

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                      Originally posted by janedoe726 View Post
                      I had a pony once who went in a leather bit. Yep- regular dee rings, but the mouthpiece was leather. It was a pricey custom bit, but it just might work. I'm pretty sure Jay Shuttleworth (mentioned above) is the one who made it.
                      Would this be hunter legal?
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                      • #12
                        Would an HS Duo be thin and soft enough? I just bought one to try on my easily offended mare.

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                          I'm assuming you're Canadian, based on your request for a Canadian custom bit maker, so here are the specific rules from the EC rule book pertaining to bitting a hunter.

                          CHAPTER 2
                          HUNTERS

                          ARTICLE G202 TACK AND EQUIPMENT

                          2. Bitless bridles are not permitted in the hunter ring.

                          3. Bridle: The bridle may be double, pelham, single (snaffle) or kimberwick. It must be leather (not rubber covered), rolled or plain and may be buckled, sewn or studded (not snapped).

                          4. Bits: All bits must be humane in nature. Snaffle bits may be with or without cheeks. Wire snaffle bits, either single or double are permissible. It is permissible to use a snaffle with fixed slots for cheek pieces and/or reins. Bit guards are not permissible.

                          5. Gimmicks: Any gimmicks (e.g. nerve lines, tongue ties, gag bits, any bit that acts as a gag, tack nose bands etc.) are illegal. Nose nets are permissible.
                          While there's nothing specifically stating that what the bit must be made from, there is nothing saying it can't be a leather mouthpiece either, given that the rest of the bit complies with the rules. I did show with a leather covered mouthpiece and had no issues. If you do go the leather route, be sure to have a cable or wire in the middle. Some bit makers will offer to do a solid leather mouthpiece, which isn't as safe as one with a metal core of some sort. Mine was a wire cable with a leather sleeve. A bonus is also that you can have the sleeve replaced as needed by just about anyone who does quality leather work.

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                          • #14
                            I would get a leather bit made, and not one of the fat ones. Like a leather bit that's basically a strip of leather with dee rings. Or call J Shuttleworth.
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                            • #15
                              Have you tried changing the position the bit sits in your horses mouth? For example, my horse does not like having the bit positioned "the way it is supposed to be" in his mouth. He likes it lower. He doesn't DO anything if it is up higher but is obviously happier doing his job when it sits lower. Just a thought...they are all different.

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Preposterous Ponies! View Post
                                Would this be hunter legal?
                                It was legal in the US- pony did the A shows and the bit was never a problem. I'm not familiar with Canadian rules, but based on what someone posted above, I don't see why not. It is actually quite mild.
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                                  #17
                                  I just bought 3 bits off of amazon:

                                  6mm snaffle, Dee,, 5"
                                  10mm french link, Dee, 5"
                                  and 10 mm mullen, eggbutt, 5"

                                  Can't wait for them to come, even though I know none of them will probably work! The 6mm may be thin enough to be comfortable, but I worry that it's TOO thin.

                                  If these don't do it, I will be looking for a leather bit.
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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Preposterous Ponies! View Post
                                    Does anyone know of anyone in Canada who makes custom bits?
                                    Why Canada? Ray Maheu in NYS is excellent (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Custo...76906722354323 )

                                    It always appears that he does only western work, but that is not the case. He's created bits for some big names in other disciplines.
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                                    • #19
                                      What about something like a twisted double wire, with a bit wrap to make it less harsh?

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                                        Well I'm in Canada! And I don't really see how somebody could make the perfect custome bit unless they actually saw the horse... is that not how it works?
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