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  • Saddle woes of the VERY leggy rider

    Hi everybody,

    I ride a 16.3hh average build TB mare. Pretty regular everything, with a bit of a wither, but not a 'shark fin'.

    The problem that I have is that I'm 5'11 and very leggy- as in, a very short torso in proportion to my legs. I have very long femurs, and very long shins. Right now, I'm riding in a CWD that's ok, but I really do need something custom (I've just about given up on finding a used saddle to fit me- we've tried over 15 already), because my knee is sliding out over the flap. Also, the CWD was custom for another horse, so it doesn't fit my mare as well as it should.

    I do jumpers and the equitation primarily, as well as a bit of hunters and lower level hunter derbies. I like to sit deep in my canter, and favour a semi-deep or deep seat. We show 3' and school 3'3ish.

    Now, I've tried a Delgrange that fit her quite well, but it's really hard to stomach spending the amount of money they want for a custom (more than I want to spend & my CWD as a trade-in, not sure how much without the saddle). Anyways, I was wondering which other brands may be able to custom-fit me without costing an arm and a leg? My mare is a lease who I plan on having for the next two seasons, until I leave for university (hopefully going to the UK) and I don't know how much riding I'll be able to do when I age out.

    I've heard of the affordability of brands like Smith-Worthington, but I'm quite concerned about resale value, for when I leave for school. I was thinking about maybe looking into Prestige- does anybody know what price point I'd be looking at? Or can recommend another brand that can custom fit me without costing a small fortune and that I could hopefully be able to resell?

    Thanks so much if you can help!
    Last edited by 7Seven; Feb. 8, 2014, 10:28 AM.

  • #2
    5'10" rider here. 37" inseam, 24" hip to knee measurement.

    I ponied up the cash for a custom Black Country Ricochet (or technically semi custom). We did a few special options for the mare (K panels and wither gussets)...and most important, a completely custom flap + 18 1/2" seat...all at no additional charge.

    I decided the flap forwardness...and looking back I could have gone a bit more forward...but not really anyone to blame but myself lol (I took a different style saddle and said "trace this flap" which combined with the seat style wasn't QUITE as forward as I was hoping), but overall it fits my leg quite nicely and I <3 it...as does the mare.

    I've also grown in leaps and bounds since I'm riding in a saddle that doesn't artificially force my leg back and compromise my seat. Unfortunately the bad habits are still there from previous years of too straight flaps :/ but overall I feel so much better.

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    • #3
      I'll also add that the above saddle was under 3k, and from what I've seen they hold their resale fairly well...between 1800-2500 used depending on condition.

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      • #4
        Some English made saddles offer the option of a forward flap as mentioned above at no extra cost. Black Country is one and typically, we have the rider take a photo of themselves in a stock saddle that they have ridden in that fits the horse and determine how forward and where we want the forward aspect and then order, for example, 2" at 3:00.

        Often we also suggest for a TB, a deeper front panel such as a trapezius, skid row or K panel with wither gussets or full front gussets. Conformation shots and tracings aid in assessing the needs of the horse.

        French saddles often have a choice of predetermined flaps sizes marked by letters and such.
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        • #5
          You could always sell the CWD outright that would give you more $$ towards what you really like.
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          • #6
            What's the flap size on the CWD? Figure out how that relates to other brands and see what you can take on trial. In my experience (coming from a family of leggy riders) it can be hard to find a really true long/forward flap used, but they are out there. All else fails, if you find a decent deal on a used one that fits you, if it doesn't work for your horse and you can't shim it up, an additional $500-$750 will pay for a new set of panels on the saddle.
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            • #7
              I also am tall, with it all in the legs. After trying several saddles, I ended up getting a Voltaire w/extra long, forward flaps. It was used but still expensive. that being said, it fits really well and actually fits several horses pretty well. And its super comfortable. I don't regret buying it when i ride in it or now (hoping it holds its value), but the check was hard to write. Good luck.

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              • #8
                There are several models of Stubbens meant for TBs. I do very well in them overall. I have a 33" inseam despite being only 5'5". I'm ALL leg. My Roxane fits TBs well and sounds like it would fit the bill what you're looking for in a saddle. I know Stubbens aren't terribly popular, but I've found they do well with leggy riders. A lot of the very tall, long legged men I ride with ride in them as well.

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                • #9
                  The saddle I ride in is not really that good for equitation/jumper on the circuit, but I'm happy in my Bates with the long flap and air cushion ride. It fits everything I've put it on, and also has the adjustable forks. But I don't show any more.

                  But what I did was order a saddle that I usually ride in - a 17" - but I float around in it a bit now. Should have ordered a 16-12" had I realized the longer flap would position me differently.
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                    #10
                    I have a 37" inseam- making fitting everything involving my legs incredibly difficult. at 5'11 tall, my inseam is longer than half of my body.

                    I've perused a few high end used tack sites, and I've bookmarked a few saddles, but I'm located in Ontario, which makes shopping online from the US difficult.
                    Last edited by 7Seven; Feb. 7, 2014, 11:24 PM. Reason: inseam typo

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                    • #11
                      FWIW, my friend with a 37" inseam rides in a 19" Stubben Siegfried very comfortably. Her's isn't even a custom one, its just an ancient one we pulled off eBay. Fits her and her mare though.

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                      • #12
                        I'm 6' with a 35" inseam and I love my Stubben Siegfried CS extra. If I could have afforded a new saddle at the time of purchase I think I probably would have gone for a Roxanne with the Biomex seat. I made the mistake of sitting in that one first and it felt almost perfect. My horse is a little tricky to fit (16.3 TB with a decent shoulder, long wither, and shortish back) and it fits him well. Here's a pic for reference--ideally I should have an 18.5 or 19 instead of an 18, but my budget dictated used and pickings were slim.

                        https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...8&l=401bff7d4c

                        Have you looked at brands geared towards eventers? Two other saddles that would have worked for me were an Ainsley Pro National and an Ovation 4 Star Eventer when Ovation was still making them. The Ainsley wasn't super huntery looking but it wasn't too bad, and the Ovation was very nice for the price. Also, I think William Fox-Pitt rides in an Albion and he's not exactly short!
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                        • #13
                          I'm 6' tall and all legs. My two jump saddles are a semi-custom Frank Baines Elan, 18" seat with a long/forward flap, and a 17.5" Stubben Excalibur with the G (extra forward) flap. I sat in a bunch of Stubbens when I shopped for my young ottb. My first choice was the Edelweiss NT. But when I found a half price Excalibur in the size I needed I couldn't pass it up. It's a great saddle but it's a monoflap.

                          If you're on a budget and hard to fit, you might want to consider something outside of the popular French brands.

                          ETA: I rode in a newer Stubben Siegfried CS for a couple months and hated it with a burning passion. Sold it on ebay, bought the Excalibur, much happier camper now.
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                          • #14
                            This is me to a "T". I'm 5'11 with a 37" inseam. I just bought an 18.5" Stubben Roxane with a forward flap. It's the only saddle I've sat in that fits my leg. They can be gotten used for under $1500.

                            Originally posted by 7Seven View Post
                            I have a 37" inseam- making fitting everything involving my legs incredibly difficult. at 5'11 tall, my inseam is longer than half of my body.

                            I've perused a few high end used tack sites, and I've bookmarked a few saddles, but I'm located in Ontario, which makes shopping online from the US difficult.

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                            • #15
                              Hey, I feel your pain!! I am only 5'8 with a 36" inseam... And one very short torso. My femurs and shins are super long. I ride in a CWD that I was super lucky to find used at the flap size is really forward and long. As for customs for you - take a look at Antares... I don't think their customs will be as expensive as I know multiple people who've gotten them for a pretty reasonable price. (Depending on the options you choose of course)
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                              Foxtrot aka "Raven" - 5 year old Hanoverian
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                              • #16
                                I am long legged (5'9", 34" inseam), but not in your league! I had a tough time finding a used saddle and finally settled on a Devoucoux with a 3A flap (long and forward)...it would not fit your leg as it fits mine just right.

                                I did, however, while shopping, have a used Stackhouse on trial that had some FLAPS! Plenty of extra in front of my knee without having a huge seat. Didn't fit the horse though. David Stackhouse is very helpful, he knows all about every saddle he's built, he can even tell you the history of it and which horse and rider it was made for. I sent him an email with the serial number and he called me right away and told me everything about the saddle. It might be worth contacting him to ask if he is aware of any used saddles floating around that might fit your needs.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by 7Seven View Post
                                  I have a 37" inseam- making fitting everything involving my legs incredibly difficult. at 5'11 tall, my inseam is longer than half of my body.

                                  I've perused a few high end used tack sites, and I've bookmarked a few saddles, but I'm located in Ontario, which makes shopping online from the US difficult.
                                  I suspect you need this sort of saddle architecture
                                  - ie the extra long, extra forward flap & 18" seats -
                                  but don't stop there, try saddles with local reps to find the seat size in various brands that does work for your body, I suspect not many reps will have a demo in their kit that works for your leg AND your seat, so ask them to look in-house & bring specific saddles in for you to try, e.g., if you followed the Calgary Voltaire thread, you're wanting ex-sponser-saddles from the long & lean set
                                  You may have to pay subsidized shipping costs (e.g., County quoted me $50) but it's still much cheaper than bringing saddles though the border yourself (beware of the tales of GST that is collected at the border & then you never get a refund on).

                                  Initially focus on saddles that have good local representation - learn the most you can while paying out the least: once you sort fit for yourself, look at fit for the horse.

                                  Really as this is a lease horse, I'd be focusing on adjustable tree, adjustable panel saddles to maximize the potential to fit the next horse which tends to take you out of the hot brand french saddles, so resale will be affected BUT your requirements in fit, already makes any saddle you buy, less likely to resale (quickly & at top price) ... chat with the sellers of such used saddles about how long some of those saddles have been sitting in inventory.

                                  If you're stuck on the brands such as CWD, Antares etc, look to fit the horse with a (possibly custom) saddle fit pad.

                                  You don't mention where you are in Canada - it's a b.i.g, empty country wrt saddle reps - so maybe pm with details.

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                                  • #18
                                    I wouldn't discount the SW - 1) you won't want to sell it because you'll fall in love and 2) if you do resell it, there is a small devoted minority who will buy it, It may take a little longer, but you will sell it! Heck, contact me when the time comes


                                    Also look into the Heritage saddles coming out of England - he has some nice fwd flap options.

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                                    • #19
                                      L'apogee makes a saddle with a flap just for those extra long legged riders. They are super comfy and seem to fit everything I put it on. Very well priced.

                                      My leggy daughter has stolen mine, I buy her one next Christmas.
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                                      • #20
                                        Saddle flaps

                                        With my daughter, we tried everything on the market at the time. Voltaire's weren't available in our market at the time.

                                        We did PJ, Delgrange, CWD, Antares, Devoucoux etc. Had the reps out there and the only saddle which really fit her was the Antares AB flap.

                                        She ended up with a 5AB flap in an Antares. It is the longest one they make. She isn't big so we did it with a 17" deep seat. (that is their C seat).

                                        The Delgrange rep had fit Chris Kappler at one point (not sure if it was with Delgrange or another company that he repped) and said that my daughter needed the same flap he did. I kind of nodded and thought he was making things up. We didn't end up ordering the Delgrange because he didn't have anything close for her to sit in it and I was worried that it wouldn't fit.

                                        Turns out he was exactly correct. My daughter did a clinic with Chris a few years later and he rode her horse. Didn't even have to change stirrup length.

                                        Antares was the only saddle that my daughter rode in that didn't put her in a chair seat. Most of the other saddle reps kept putting her in the A or AA flaps which is forward and extra forward. She really just needed the extra flap length at the bottom third of the flap which is what the B means with Antares.

                                        It is really the only saddle which put her in a good place and had a long enough flap for her.

                                        Knock on wood, we have had very good luck with Antares saddles. This is probably her fourth or fifth one. At one point she was outgrowing them every year. I got really good at finding and selling used Antares

                                        The 5AB flaps are really tough to find used but if you let Antares know that's what you need, they can keep an eye out for you. If you are a 17.5 or bigger, there is a chance you'll find one used.

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