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  • Jumping saddle for short legged rider

    I'm starting to look for a new jumping saddle, but will probably need to wait another year to actually buy. I'm 5'1" with short legs. I am looking for suggestions from other COTH shorties. Loved my Bates CC, but it didn't love me. I realized that the flap was too forward and long and I really struggled with it. Currently, I pulled my old saddle out of the basement and feel much better with it. It is an old 16" Collegiate junior event saddle. It currently fits my young TB so I have a little reprieve in needing a new one. Not necessarily looking for a changeable gullet, but would like a tree that can be adjusted if necessary. I would be interested any sugestions. I would love a higher end saddle, but would have to do used for that to happen or a new mid-range one. I do have the ability to buy now if the right one popped up for sale.

    It would be really nice if someone could explain to me what the flap jargon means when looking at used saddles. Any and all suggestions.

  • #2
    I'm not much help, but I'm only 5'2" and recently went through the saddle shopping process. The flap was too long on a lot of saddles I tried, but I did try a PJ that had a shorter flap and worked ok, but it put me in a chair seat. I ended up getting a Childeric with a 2? flap, I believe. Fits me like a glove and I adore it. I know all of the pessoas and toulouses had way too long of a flap.

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      #3
      Thank you, this is exactly the info I'm looking for. My Bates made me want to be in 2 point permanently. I felt like it didn't give me a decent place to sit and no real support to my leg even though we moved the knee blocks as far back as we could. I'll look at the Childeric saddles.

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      • #4
        I am 5'1" as well - I have the Antares Hampton Classic - you can order different seat/flap combinations without having to go full custom. I have a 16.5" seat & my flap is only one size up from the pony saddle - and it seems to fit a wide variety of horses pretty well.

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        • #5
          Good luck. If you can fit in a 16'' comfortably you will have more luck, but I did this search and could not find a single saddle under 2k that was short enough for my leg and didn't put me in a chair seat. Even a lot of the higher end saddles don't make a flap short enough (CWD) or put me in a chair seat if they did (Antares.) It has something to do with my leg length/proportions in combination with where the stirrup bar is set.

          I have an Arc De Triomphe Gazelle in a 1 flap (0 is even shorter) and LOVE it. They are known for having a stirrup bar set a little farther back and its perfect for me. Plus much more affordable than a lot of the other french brands out there.

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          • #6
            I'm 5' 1" and have a couple of TB's. I bought a Prestige Joy Jumper and it has really worked out. It is a 16". I got it at VTO Saddlery.

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            • #7
              I stumbled across a practically new Amerigo DJ with a short flap. I had never ridden in a "short" saddle before, but wow what a difference!

              I don't know what your budget will be, but just keep an eye out starting now. I found mine on Craigslist, and I'm not in a particularly horse-y part of the world, so you never know. Mine was a custom order that never got picked up. With the short flap, I got it for a steal (like 20% of full retail price).
              "Life is too short to be a slave to the whims of others." -- RugBug, COTH

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              • #8
                I'm also 5'1", and my TB and I both love our Equipe Grand Prix. It's so soft & comfy, and puts me in a great position. I ended up with a regular flap, they seem to be cut quite short.

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                • #9
                  I'm 5'1" and persnickety about 1) My equipment and 2) Paying for the privilege of a bad-fitting saddle.

                  I, too, owned a Bates for a while with the same result. hallelujah, it is sold.

                  I ride in a 16.5" and here's the key: You need a straighter flap, not necessarily a short one. But a shorter flap my do the job as well.

                  There's some bottom line geometry here that will make a saddle fit someone's femur (the relevant dimension) or not. Saddlers don't measure these horizontal dimensions, but here's what you need to know about a saddle.

                  1. (Most important): The distance from the stirrup bar to the front of the flap at it's most forward point. The easiest way to get this measurement is to leave your stirrups on the saddle and measure across from the most forward point of the flap. Be sure the saddle is balanced-- as it would be on a horse and not rocked back as some stands will position a saddle.

                  2. The distance from the stirrup bar (I use the front-most spot where you stirrup leather rests) to the middle of the seat.

                  3. The distance from the stirrup bar to the front of the flap. (I think this is right. I had a whole thread on this stuff circa 2008 when I was on my last saddle hunt.) Or that might be from the stirrup bar to the pommel.

                  In addition, the seat might be "open"-- the valley floor between pommel and cantle is pretty flat, or closed and the saddle is like a bucket with only one place for you to sit. This is a matter of personal taste and-- believe it or not-- won't help you with the flap geometry. IMO, however, the more open the seat, the more a rider with some skill can work around a flap that's too forward/long. In this case, it's not so hard to sit way up by the pommel.

                  When I measured a saddle whose balance I liked, I discovered a pretty short linear measurement between the stirrup bar and the front of the flap. Ergo, I need a flap that is straight rather than short.
                  The armchair saddler
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                  • #10
                    I'm 5'1" - I have a PJ Pro and love it.

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                    • #11
                      I am 5'3, 5'4 on a good day, not built to ride at all, have very short legs and a long torso, I loved my Philippe fontaine- diane saddle, it had a forward flap towards the top that fit my knee (lots of times I would have to lengthen my stirrups so that my leg would fit, but then felt like i was riding dressage), and short enough flap that it didn't look like the flap came all the way down to my ankles. I don't think they make them anymore but you may be able to find some online used? Another rider at my barn had the same problem and rode in it and absolutely loved it, so she bought it off me. They have knee and thigh blocks on it but it is velcro so you can adjust it to how you like it.

                      this one -----> http://www.millbrooktack.com/philipp...c#.UuMxpHn0Akg
                      Last edited by Rissa515; Jan. 24, 2014, 10:47 PM. Reason: apparently I can't spell nor do i know how to use proper grammar...

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                      • #12
                        Many of the saddles made in England can be ordered with a straighter flap and or a shorter flap, often at no extra charge.
                        It is helpful to try the stock type first if one isn't available with a less forward flap and have the fitter determine how the flap should be relative to your leg when in your jumping position.
                        Jay McGarry
                        sms trained saddle fitter
                        www.trumbullmtn.com
                        800-442-9672

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                        • #13
                          I have a friend who is barely 5' with short legs. She had a Butet with extra short flaps - ordered it new, very expensive. Then she got a new horse that the saddle did not fit at all. She got a new CWD with short flaps that she loves. She did have to sell her Butet. She sold it on eBay to a short person. So, you can find nice used saddles with short flaps, but you might have to look for a while.

                          I am 5' 1 1/2" with long legs. I have a used CWD with regular flaps that fits me well. I sold my Bates too, same reason as you. I am in a much better position in the CWD and my leg feels much more secure with the front and rear blocks.

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                          • #14
                            Short-flap options are available on many jump saddles, UK-made and otherwise. Just make sure you have a chance to ride in an "off the rack" model that's as close to suitable as possible before ordering something bench-made; many places won't allow you to return a customized saddle, or charge you a hefty restock fee. And be sure you're working with a good fitter who had experience in fitting the rider as well as the horse.
                            Kitt Hazelton
                            Saddle Fitter
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                            • #15
                              I'm 5'1 and have WBs. My all-time favorite is my Tad Coffin. I have ginormous-withered wide gelding right now though that I had to buy a PJ for and that might be a good mid-range-new option for you. I've had short-flapped butets as well which I quite liked. I think there are a lot of high-end saddles out there with short-flapped options, though if you're going to buy used, you might want to plan on a longer process trying to find the right match.
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                              • #16
                                Another vote for the Childrec here. I am 5'4", but I have short legs. The stirrup bar placement was perfect for me, and the seat was comfy enough to sit at a trot and canter, but not so deep that it was hard getting up out of the tack. Sadly, I no longer ride the gelding that the saddle belonged to. I'm sure his owner would have sold it to me, but even used they're out of my price range.

                                Right now I'm riding in an ancient Crosby because it fits the lease pony and me reasonably well. It is as basic and flat as a saddle can get, but you have a lot of freedom to use your legs and seat that you don't get from super big knee and thigh blocks. Very helpful over fences. Not very comfortable on the flat though.

                                The problem with having short legs is we have to work harder to maintain a good leg position and use our aids to the best effect. You need to find a saddle that will give you the best leg position, while also letting you move your leg if you need to.
                                It is only through labor and painful effort, by grim energy and resolute courage, that we move on to better things.
                                Theodore Roosevelt

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Kitt View Post
                                  Just make sure you have a chance to ride in an "off the rack" model that's as close to suitable as possible before ordering something bench-made; many places won't allow you to return a customized saddle, or charge you a hefty restock fee. And be sure you're working with a good fitter who had experience in fitting the rider as well as the horse.
                                  Been there, done that… so I'll give you some words of wisdom.

                                  1. It can be very, very hard to learn much about how an off-the-rack saddle will fit you with a different flap on it. That's especially true if you want to know how it will help you stay up in a two-point…. which is probably the biggest issue for the shortie while saddle shopping.

                                  If I were confident in my knowledge of my own riding and pretty educated, I might try to ride in it to check out the seat and the flaps separately. So I'd ignore the flaps, maybe ride stirrupless, and see if I could sit ok in the seat.

                                  Then I'd scoot way up to the pommel, find the knee pocket and see how I liked that relationship between the stirrup bars and the knee pocket. It won't be an exact thing.

                                  2. Which leads me to working with a rep. Be sure to ask if the rep will guarantee fit for rider (as they will fit for the horse). If they do not, know that you are placing a bet on someone else's expertise alone; the fitter and manufacturer doesn't have any skin in the game. IMO, you should be able to ride in a short-flapped saddle before you sign on the dotted line, not just have the difference described to you.

                                  Just caveat emptor x2 for the shorties.
                                  The armchair saddler
                                  Politically Pro-Cat

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                                    #18
                                    Thank you so much for the advice, everyone. I do realize that I need the straighter flap. That's why my old collegiate is working for me for the time being. I have been looking at many websites and educating myself on the different options and saddles out there. Due to budget, high end new is out of my ability, but used is definitely an option. I'll just keep looking and watching, and test riding anything that meets my criteria.

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                                    • #19
                                      If you are looking for used saddles just to give you a heads up. For Bruno Delgrange (or older PJ's made by Delgrnage) our flaps lengths run 0-6. For a shorter person most likely a 2 or a 3. As for forwardness A is normal L is straighter.

                                      The Partition or Pro has a slightly more forward flap and is semi deep, puts you in more of a "jumper position".

                                      The Virtuose or PJ Original is deeper with more of an equitation leg position.

                                      The Athena or PJ Lite is flatter with a similar balance to the Virtuose.

                                      Hope that helps.
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                                      • #20
                                        You may want to consider Stubben's Juventus jumping saddle. It's a youth saddle, so it has short flaps, but the seat size is 17", so it's suitable for a petite adult. It does have a deep seat, so if you prefer a flatter seat, this one's not for you. However, you may love it. It's one I'm seriously considering when I do go saddle shopping. (I'm 5' tall.)

                                        There are a couple of used ones on the Stubben North America website:

                                        http://www.stubbennorthamerica.com/s...tusjumping.php

                                        Here's an ebay listing with a lot of pictures:

                                        http://www.ebay.com/itm/17-Stubben-J...item3a88d047da
                                        Last edited by Dewey; Jan. 29, 2014, 10:47 AM.
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