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  • Working hunter turnout in the UK

    From Horse & Hound:

    http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/archi...nter-classes/#

    Interesting how different the turnout is. I know hunters in the UK is an entirely different sport from hunters in the US, but they do both have their roots in field hunting & emphasize "traditional" tack & attire.
    Last edited by vagabondrider; Jan. 19, 2014, 10:25 PM. Reason: Clarification

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    Loved showing working hunters in England! This was back in the 70's and we used double bridles, no saddle pads (numnuhs) ,no boots or martingales. I wore a grey coat which I had taken over there with me and for the big shows I did have a black coat-shirt and tie, tan breeches and dress boots. We did the county level mostly and back then you needed a first or second to qualify for the Horse of they Year show which was held in London. You would get a really nice qualifier rosette when you earned a qualifier. Some of the smaller county shows set courses made of mostly colorful show jumps but some of the bigger ones made some pretty neat rustic ones and it wasn't the inside, outside, of our courses but more like a jumper track. You would each do your trip then everyone wouldcome back in to w/t/c/gallop ONE way and then the judge would line you up according to how he liked your flat. Everyone dismounted and the judge rides each horse and does kind of what he wants. When he was finished you stripped your horses and they are stood up for conformation. Everyone then got back on and walks around while the four phases are scored and then you are lined up according to your placing. Big classes took a LONG time! Only one class, not a division and back then the "workers" were a distant poor cousin of the "ridden hunters" but I see now they have moved well up the ladder!

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      #3
      That could make for some long days & tired judges if judges rode each horse in every class here!

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      • #4
        Vagabond, "Only one class, not a division" - and I don't believe they have all the divisions - so Working Hunter is Working Hunter - and doesn't include PG, Low, First Yr, Second Yr, Jr, AO, AAs, etc.
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        • #5
          Wow! That was really interesting to read. Thanks for posting. I didn't realize the working hunters were run so differently in the UK
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          • #6
            If I recall correctly, until recently the show hunters in the UK (and Ireland) were the 'hacks' that owners rode to the meet. A lighter, perhaps fancier, mount than those who braved the elements on the hunt. They were shown as 'hacks' - as in the US, a flat class with perhaps a couple jumps (y'know, you might meet a log on the way to the fixture) - with one BIG difference. The judge always rode at least some of them, because they were supposed to be comfortable and mannerly - and we all know some riders who really can make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.
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            • #7
              That's correct. The show hunter now in competition would be expected to be flashier than a working hunter. On the ground, they would be expected to have the same hunter qualities, but very very rarely do you see a show hunter being asked to do much more than a single fence to demonstrate forwardness, correct form, etc. Here's an example of a national show and the type of hunters you would see:

              http://www.dublinhorseshow.com/index...=384&n=396&a=0

              http://www.dublinhorseshow.com/index...=482&n=483&a=0

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              • #8
                Interesting that they encourage protective vests.

                eidyn, in your link above, how do they determine the weight a horse is capable of carrying to divide the sections? (Assume it is not just the weight of the person who happens to be showing them?)

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                  Originally posted by Beam Me Up View Post
                  Interesting that they encourage protective vests.

                  eidyn, in your link above, how do they determine the weight a horse is capable of carrying to divide the sections? (Assume it is not just the weight of the person who happens to be showing them?)
                  Yes, with everyone in tweed jackets, canary breeches, and wearing padded vests, it's a different show scene from the American hunters!! Although, over the years the appearance of a show hunter class has certainly changed when I look at childhood pictures to what I wear now. I would blend in quite well at an American show, regardless of the Irish class I'm in, I would think.

                  I have absolutely no idea how they came up with this, but found in an old manual:

                  Show hunter horses are divided into three weight sections - lightweight, middleweight and heavyweight. The lightweight hunter should be able to carry up to 12 st 7 lb (79 kg), stand around 16 to 16.2 hands (64 to 66 inches, 163 to 168 cm) and have about 8 1/2 inches of bone under the knee. The middleweight hunter stands around 16.3 hands (67 inches, 170 cm), can carry between 12 st 7 lb (79 kg) and 14 st (89 kg) and has 8 3/4 to 9 inches of bone. The heavyweight stands around 17 hands (68 inches, 173 cm), has 9 inches of bone under the knee and is capable of carrying over 14 st (89 kg).

                  When I checked an online source, I was referred to Wikipedia!! A very brief search provided nothing of substance. I'll keep looking.

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                  • #10
                    The Brits are big on body protectors, a lot of people wear them for jumping.

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                      Originally posted by mouseinlux View Post
                      The Brits are big on body protectors, a lot of people wear them for jumping.
                      Are they showing over solid fences, like cross country jumps? Is that why they use body protectors? Or are they commonly worn even over fences that will come down?

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                      • #12
                        Here, you'll find a huge spectrum between those who wouldn't get on a horse without one to those who don't bother with helmets either. In my little world of top hunters, (formal) hunting, and a rather bold leap into GP show jumping, body protectors are never seen. I hate the damn things because they are so bulky and awkward. But I think the tendency to wear them while jumping, of any sort but definitely the xc sort, is more prevalent here than my experiences in North America.

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                        • #13
                          I got a big surprise when I moved to Australia and started to show in the working hunters!
                          They follow the English pattern with respects to turn out (alas my monogrammed choker had no place here) and class pattern (though the judges do not tend to ride them).
                          The working class is divided by the height of the horse - 14hh and under are 45cm, 14.1 - 15 hh are 60 cm and > 15 hh are 85 cm. They really move in the class and when they want to see a gallop , they mean it!
                          Show hunter weights are decided on bone circumference and build, based on the guidelines of the Australian Hunter Horse Association

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                          • #14
                            Beside the ridden and working hunters they do have a hack class which is like someone else said, a lighter, finer horse and their evening attire is tails and top hats. No jumping involved for that. There is also I believe now a novice working hunter and of course the ponies.

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