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Pony WILL NOT pick up her right lead. Suggestions?

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  • Pony WILL NOT pick up her right lead. Suggestions?

    First of all, pain is completely ruled out.

    She's my little sales project, so it's kind of important that we get this ironed out - she's priced a lot lower than she's worth right now because of this tricky little issue. She's about to be 5, still very green, been ridden very sporadically throughout the past year. We're starting to increase the regularity of her rides, trainer will hop on her a few times a week, I ride her once or twice a week, and she has been filling in for my trainer's lesson pony who went lame.

    She's going to make up to be a fabulous little regular or children's hunter. She's got the movement, a 10+++ jump, and a very willing attitude. But she absolutely WILL NOT pick up the right lead on the flat. If you point her at a cross rail, 99.9% of the time she will land on the right lead, and has no problem continuing in a lovely, balanced canter.

    Any suggestions?
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  • #2
    Sounds like she's not understanding the aids or the aids are given incorrectly. If the rider's weight is wrong, just that can throw them off. Check rider position and aids. If not that...look into getting her adjusted. Does she allow you to pick up both hind feet easily with no resistance? JMO

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      #3
      Thanks. Like I said, pain/physical issues are ruled out.

      My trainer and I ask correctly, the little girls probably don't. She understands how to move off the right leg, and does so quite well, until that split second before the canter departure when she flings her weight back and picks up the left instead. You can set her up correctly every time, she feels light and correct, then BAM left lead instead of right.

      Just looking for a different approach to teach her at this point, because she's obviously not getting it the traditional way.
      My CANTER cutie Chip and IHSA shows!
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      • #4
        Just out of curiosity, does she pick up the right when turned out or on the longe line? I have sometimes felt this just becomes a mental block in training and sometimes not focusing on it for a while, canter the cross rail and let her land right and then canter right helps get their mind off it and then come back to it and see where you are.

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          #5
          Been a while since I lunged her but she definitely can get it there and while at liberty. Definitely prefers left though. It's funny, I said that to my trainer the other night...that one day it will just click in her brain! Hopefully sooner rather than later though. For now the cross rail is how we are getting it.

          She is just the cutest with the little kids though...she's gonna make some little girl very happy! I am kind of subconsciously hoping that I can find a way to keep her (for our eventual child lol) without my hubby divorcing me...
          My CANTER cutie Chip and IHSA shows!
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          • #6
            What really helped with my pony when I first got him was to do a lead change onto the right lead or get him to land the right lead over a pole or jump, and then continue normal canter work to help strengthen his right side. His issue with the right lead was largely strength, though, so that may not be her problem if she's already very balanced to the right.

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            • #7
              Have you tried asking in a corner, or out of a circle? That seems to help, as well as lifting your inside hand.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by To the MAX View Post
                First of all, pain is completely ruled out.
                What has been done to rule out pain?

                she definitely can get it there and while at liberty. Definitely prefers left though.
                This suggests to me that she is likely asymmetric - have you had any bodywork or assessment done?

                What are you doing in terms of saddes - for you & trainer, for little kids?
                Have you had a saddle fitter out to check that fit is symmetric both sides? ie she's not running into a tree point or stirrup bar or pressure points? - which are then reinforcing her preference for that left lead.



                She's about to be 5, still very green, been ridden very sporadically throughout the past year.
                & yet she is already working in a lesson program with undoubtedly mixed signals from various riders - I'd get her a lot more confirmed u/s before throwing so much at such a green girl: though it sounds like she is handling it very well, you also state that she's a sale project that you want to turn around for most $$$ in least time, so maybe try to get experienced pony jocks on her

                My trainer and I ask correctly, the little girls probably don't. She understands how to move off the right leg, and does so quite well, until that split second before the canter departure when she flings her weight back and picks up the left instead. You can set her up correctly every time, she feels light and correct, then BAM left lead instead of right.
                Reading this, I suspect some physical issue rather than a lack of understanding.

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                • #9
                  I've dealt with this problem quite often. I set the horse up hard with the hindquarters to the inside and the front end to the outside to force that lead...and for some horses I will use a verbal command, or a tap on the shoulder with a crop, or some other non-conventional signal until the horse gets that I am asking for that lead. Then I can gradually do away with the non-conventional signal, and as the horse gets better at picking up the lead I can change to asking it with a normal cue. But yeah, you have to exaggeratedly set the horse up for it, and make sure the horse picks the canter up immediately when asked so it doesn't have time to shift its body around so it can pick up the wrong lead.

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                  • #10
                    Didn't read all responses so maybe suggested...

                    leg yield to the left and then ask; use a dressage whip for cue (extra length helps)

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                    • #11
                      Use very clear/specific aids over the cross rail to have her land right. (since she does that already)
                      then drop the jump progressively until it's just a pole on the ground. Once she's consistently getting it over the pole, remove the pole (but keep the jump standards) and ask then. The repetition and conditioning to pick up the right lead there might help the right lead click in her brain. Obviously, Every Single Time she picks up the right lead, make a huge fuss, patting, etc. The more she does it, hopefully the more comfortable she'll get with it, making it easier & more comfortable for her to pick it up under not-ideal circumstances.
                      Last edited by ElementFarm; Oct. 25, 2013, 02:04 PM. Reason: spelling/typo
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                      • #12
                        I'm going to go ahead and take a guess its the cute tiny paint pony you have posted about previously?

                        Sounds like a strength issue to me, if you are completely certain it isn't pain. Above posters mentioned having her land right over little fences and lowering it eventually as she gets the hang of it (Nicely explained by ElementFarm!). This allows for less fighting to pick up the lead and lets you gradually strengthen her right side as you build up her right canter. Getting a more regular advanced pony jock or you riding can help with muscle build up instead of sporadic rides and uneducated signals.

                        However, sometimes with tough ponies its hard to tell if they really are in pain and it only comes out when asked to do a specific thing.

                        Good luck and keep us updated!

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                        • Original Poster

                          #13
                          Originally posted by alto View Post
                          What has been done to rule out pain?



                          This suggests to me that she is likely asymmetric - have you had any bodywork or assessment done?

                          What are you doing in terms of saddes - for you & trainer, for little kids?
                          Have you had a saddle fitter out to check that fit is symmetric both sides? ie she's not running into a tree point or stirrup bar or pressure points? - which are then reinforcing her preference for that left lead.




                          & yet she is already working in a lesson program with undoubtedly mixed signals from various riders - I'd get her a lot more confirmed u/s before throwing so much at such a green girl: though it sounds like she is handling it very well, you also state that she's a sale project that you want to turn around for most $$$ in least time, so maybe try to get experienced pony jocks on her


                          Reading this, I suspect some physical issue rather than a lack of understanding.
                          She vets totally clean, saddles fit and the chiro/massage therapist was out not too long ago and thought she looked fine. Really, it's nothing physical, I promise.

                          And yes, she's in the lesson program. Maybe not ideal from a training perspective, but it is what it is. I actually like the fact that she is getting used to taking care of little kids since that's what a pony needs to do. No sense in having a pony that kids can't ride, is there? If I still have her by the time she's ready to do the pony divisions, I'll get a pony jock for her.
                          My CANTER cutie Chip and IHSA shows!
                          http://www.youtube.com/kheit86

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                            #14
                            ElementFarm - Thanks for the suggestion! We will continue to use the crossrail then gradually fade it out.

                            Originally posted by SimonandGus View Post
                            I'm going to go ahead and take a guess its the cute tiny paint pony you have posted about previously?
                            Hmm, I think you're thinking of someone else! This is my girl: https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/...26731631_n.jpg
                            My CANTER cutie Chip and IHSA shows!
                            http://www.youtube.com/kheit86

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                            • #15
                              I'd keep doing it over the cross rail and then make a transition to do over just a single pole. I wouldn't make a big deal out of it, she's young probably still unbalanced and obviously prefers one side more than your typical horse/pony. I've had these types before, don't let folks talk you into "making" her do it, that will just get frustrating for everyone. And if there does eventually end up being something that bothers her physically, it will show up at some point anyway.

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                              • #16
                                If she does get the right lead on the lunge line, get her trained well on the lunge, then try putting a passive rider on her (that's typically a part of a lesson ponies abilities anyway), then have the rider give the aids for the canter depart at same time that the person lunging asks with the verbal command from the ground.

                                See if you can build up that association in her mind, and then expand upon it until you can ride her on a circle and ask for the right canter with the rider giving both the verbal command and the canter aids.

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                                • #17
                                  As, somebody else said, she's in the lesson program so is probably getting some conflicting signals. But, and here's the but......does this lesson program also try to do a good flatwork program with all the horses and riders? And I don't mean just a warmup of walk, trot, canter and then jump. Do they leg yield (on and off the track, on a circle, down the long wall); are they learning to half pass; haunches in/out; to collect/extend at all gaits and so on........all of that stuff will help with this pony becoming more and more balanced and learn to pick up her correct lead as she gains strength and correct muscle tone.
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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by ElementFarm View Post
                                    Use very clear/specific aids over the cross rail to have her land right. (since she does that already)
                                    then drop the jump progressively until it's just a pole on the ground. Once she's consistently getting it over the pole, remove the pole (but keep the jump standards) and ask then. The repetition and conditioning to pick up the right lead there might help the right lead click in her brain. Obviously, Every Single Time she picks up the right lead, make a huge fuss, patting, etc. The more she does it, hopefully the more comfortable she'll get with it, making it easier & more comfortable for her to pick it up under not-ideal circumstances.
                                    This method worked very well for the green broke 4 coming 5yo hunter prospect I sold this year. The difference between the leads did not click and he naturally was better left. He seemed to land right the most easily over a cross rail so we worked on picking it up that way, landing, and building stamina cantering after the cross rail. It tranlated into right lead canter on the flat pretty quickly.

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                                    • #19
                                      I like whoever said leg yield left. Do that, make sure you're sitting on you're outside (not like, falling off, just weight on your outside). Think about where her feet are.

                                      I'll ask you a question. Do you know what leg the horse picks the canter up on? Answer me this. Think about what leg they use. Then think about where you should put your weight. Because what do horses do? ---> (move away from pressure)

                                      So if they pick up from their outside hind leg, we want to sit...?

                                      Just think about your position when you ask

                                      Also I just read everyone else's reply,
                                      lesson program might not be helping much. I think you probably know the answer to my question, it was just food for thought, maybe others will think.

                                      I liked Element Farms explanation too

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                                      • #20
                                        what pain/leg work was ruled out by the vet? saying she was "completely checked out" is really vague. a pony or horse that *will not* pick up a certain direction canter is not, IMHO, completely physically content.
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