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    Showing the non OTTB TB

    I have just started showing my home bred TB in the Baby Green/Mod Adult division with the plan to move him up to the Pre-Green/Adult divisions next year. I hear all about the TB classes that are starting to be offered at more and more shows around the country. I would love to show my TB in them but can't due to the fact that he was not a race horse and was never bred to be one. Both his sire and dam were registered with the Jockey Club but being that he was bred to be a hunter it never crossed my mind to register him. Now that he is 7 it will cost over $2,000 to register him. That is not going to happen. Are there not other breeders out there that breed TB's for something other than the racetrack. Should they not be allowed to show off their babies to highlight the things these wonderful horses can do other than run fast? Just wondering if there are any other people out there who have run into this problem.
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    I have a similar problem. I'd love to show mine in the TBs, and he has a tattoo (though he was bred for jumping), but I don't have any papers because he's passed through god knows how many owners.
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      As long as the horse has a racing tattoo its parentage can be determined, so tattooed horses should be okay in the TB classes.

      As for not bothering to register a sport bred TB, that was the breeder's choice. S/he saved $250 and also cut out any options for WB inspection. Now that there are all TB shows and classes, the decision might be different.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by vineyridge View Post
        As long as the horse has a racing tattoo its parentage can be determined, so tattooed horses should be okay in the TB classes.

        As for not bothering to register a sport bred TB, that was the breeder's choice. S/he saved $250 and also cut out any options for WB inspection. Now that there are all TB shows and classes, the decision might be different.
        His name's been changed so my bills of sale don't prove ownership to the JC, if I've read the rules correctly.
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        • #5
          I am in the same boat, unfortunately. Thoroughbred, but never raced, so no tattoo - no papers either . . .
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          • #6
            I have two of these. My old girl is a 21yo Castle Magic TB but back then you were more likely to find non-TB classes than TB only classes. Who knew! Ha. My youngster doing the baby greens this year is a 6yo Castle Cove son. It would be nice if the JC could cut us a deal to register them late with DNA. You'd think they'd want us to help promote the breed. I'd love to do the TB classes but its not worth $2k or more.
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            • #7
              The Jockey Club now has a program to determine if a TB was ever registered with them. You send them $80, get a kit, and send a sample to them. They will cross reference the DNA to their DNA database. So unraced but registered TBs can be made eligible.

              AFAIK, the tattoo is enough proof. You need bills of sale for papers that have been lost, but not to show in TB only classes. You just need proven registered parentage which the tattoo will do for you.
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                Originally posted by vineyridge View Post
                The Jockey Club now has a program to determine if a TB was ever registered with them. You send them $80, get a kit, and send a sample to them. They will cross reference the DNA to their DNA database. So unraced but registered TBs can be made eligible.
                Too bad they won't do this for unregistered TBs for a limited time. I know the parentage of mine but he wasn't registered.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by hunterrider23 View Post
                  I have a similar problem. I'd love to show mine in the TBs, and he has a tattoo (though he was bred for jumping), but I don't have any papers because he's passed through god knows how many owners.
                  You can look up your horse's registered name with the tatoo, and verify parentage. BTW, it took me over 2 years but I managed to track down the papers of a mare I bought. Race horse people tend to be very helpful and tend to not throw away papers. I got name and number after name and number till I finally found the papers. Asked the guy to stick them in the mail to me and a few days later there they were. It took a little leg work and some perseverance, but might be worth a try.
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                  • #10
                    Show him in the pregreens as you originally intended. That is a bigger highlight.

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                    • #11
                      I am in a similar boat. Two registered JC parents, but horse is not registered. The show secretary of one of the local TB shows said that my bill of sale would be adequate proof. Said bill of sale states sire and dam and date/time of birth. The show secretary is also familiar with the breeder which may be helping here. YMMV.
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                        Originally posted by CBoylen View Post
                        Show him in the pregreens as you originally intended. That is a bigger highlight.
                        I agree. If he was specifically bred with the regular hunter divisions in mind, then show him there.
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                        • #13
                          You don't need jockey club papers to show he is a thoroughbred. If he indeed is a homebred, you can draw up your own foal papers and have the vet sign them.

                          Bill of sale is fine too if you didn't breed him, even if there is a name change.

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                            Originally posted by Peggy View Post
                            I am in a similar boat. Two registered JC parents, but horse is not registered. The show secretary of one of the local TB shows said that my bill of sale would be adequate proof. Said bill of sale states sire and dam and date/time of birth. The show secretary is also familiar with the breeder which may be helping here. YMMV.
                            I have the same on my bill of sale but some divisions/shows require JC registration while others just require eligibility to be JC registered which I guess my bill of sale offers.

                            I agree with others on just proceeding with the pre-greens. That's my plan. Just would have been fun to support the TB shows too by showing as they are my fav breed. I know I can support them in other ways. Just a little disappointing the JC won't help us out.
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                              I have a TB that was not bred for racing, so no tattoo, but still has JC paperwork.

                              Too bad the JC won't help out in your situation, $2k is a ridiculous amount of money just for some papers.

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                              • #16
                                The point of the TB shows is to show off "recycled" TBs so if the horse was bred for hunters then there is no reason it should be in the TB classes. Even if they were race trained. For instance my mare has a tattoo but never raced, I suspect due to injury. She can compete because she was originally intended for the track and had some training for a different discipline. No you do not need papers, just a tattoo to track down pedigree/racing name then get a TIP number. That is all they ask for is the TIP number OR if not tattooed then proof it was bred with the intention to race aka so it was essentially "recycled".
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                                  Thanks for all the replies. I fully intend to show him next year in the Pre-Greens and hopefully do the A/O's with him in the future. It would have just been fun to do some of the TB classes this year instead of the Modified Adults. I feel that the TB as a breed should be showcased not just the track rejects and being that the Jockey Club is the main registry for TB's you would think they would want to promote the breed too by offering a discounted registry for horses in this kind of situation. Sort of how USEF did the horse recording #'s awhile ago. I'm not trying to start any wars or anything about the OTTB vs. Non Race bred TB's. It's just that I have seen this large surge to promote the breed lately so why not promote all TB's and not just ones who have been ex race horses.

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                                    Originally posted by hunterrider23 View Post
                                    I have a similar problem. I'd love to show mine in the TBs, and he has a tattoo (though he was bred for jumping), but I don't have any papers because he's passed through god knows how many owners.
                                    Use the tattoo research from the jockey club and get his registered name, then apply for the TIP number and you will be good to go.

                                    As for the OP...many of these TB only classes are geared toward OTTB's, I know the TB Celebration show is for TB's that were bred for racing, or their parents raced and (at least used to) specifically excludes TB's that are bred for sport.

                                    I have an unraced mare that was tattoo'ed that I was able to get a TIP number for, and my trainer has an unraced mare (both parents raced) that she has the TIP number for as well and showed without any problems.

                                    Some of these divisions are sponsored by the Jockey club, so they want to honor and support registered horses that were used for racing to "show off" how versatile they are (at least that's how I understand it).

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                                      Originally posted by hunterrider23 View Post
                                      His name's been changed so my bills of sale don't prove ownership to the JC, if I've read the rules correctly.
                                      I agree with above....


                                      Hunterrider23 - you should have no problem obtaining a TIP through the Jockey Club. I don't have the papers on mine, only the tattoo and I have no problem showing my horse. Names get changed for one reason or another. On the TIP page, they have a link where you can identify your horse. You can send in pictures which they can match up to his yearly shots along with the tattoo that you have on him. Shouldn't be a problem at all.
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