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    Coaching fee? Does the barn get a cut?

    I have never worked for a lesson barn. I've always taught out of my barn using my horses, so I've not accustom to giving a barn part of the lesson money. It's worked out well this far because I'm making a little more than I did at my own place plus not having to keep up lesson horses! I love it. BUT I'm about to take some kids to a show, so would the barn get a cut of that as well? I understand a horse use fee, but I plan on making $50 per student at the show. This is what I have always charged. I'm not sure what is customary. Advice please?
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    I think it depends on the barn. Some barns simply collect the day use fee for the lesson horse and the lesson instructor is allowed to keep all of their training fees. Other barns it is a percentage of the training fee goes to the barn along with the horse fees. Best to get this figured out with the barn before the horse show.

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    • #3
      And yet other barns pay you a flat rate for the day for coaching students. Just ask.

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        If I give lessons too, then you are taking money out of my pocket...if that is the case then the percentage is justified. Just mho.
        The thing about smart people, is they look like crazy people, to dumb people.

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          AND you answered your own question by saying that you are better off financially for NOT having your own lesson horses by just using the BOs....someone is paying for those horses....maybe it should be the people using them?
          The thing about smart people, is they look like crazy people, to dumb people.

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          • #6
            Anytime I've shown a horse as a student that I did not lease or own, I paid a flat "lease fee" for the day of the show. At different farms I've paid between $50-100. This has been separate of the coaching fee and the trailering fee and any other charges I've incurred.

            It makes sense--if I'm not catch riding for someone and it is not adding value to the horse, you pay for use of the horse. You pay for the services of the trainer... all separate.

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              The way I see it is at shows I'm not teaching lessons or using the barns facility. Just their horses. Which they are getting a check from the student to use. I am strictly there on my own time to teach. I am not using anything from the barn. I think I should receive the entire coaching fee since the student is separately paying to use the horse. I wanted to see what others think.

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                If the students are paying the barn directly for the use of the horse, then you shouldn't be paying the barn as well, since they're already making a fair (I would hope, if it's the price they set) amount for the use of the horse for the day.
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                • #9
                  Our students used to pay my farm as BO for the lease of the lesson horse and for shipping since it was the farm truck and trailer and any day care amount but the trainer kept all her trainer fees. I did take a cut of her lesson fees at home because she was using my facility and my lesson horses.
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                    Originally posted by Ready To Riot View Post
                    The way I see it is at shows I'm not teaching lessons or using the barns facility. Just their horses. Which they are getting a check from the student to use. I am strictly there on my own time to teach. I am not using anything from the barn. I think I should receive the entire coaching fee since the student is separately paying to use the horse. I wanted to see what others think.
                    The other side of that coin is if it was not for the barn you would not have students and horses to take to the show. Their lesson program is what is providing you with the money making opportunity.


                    I think the way you see it is fair but the bottom line is there is no single way it is always done.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by trubandloki View Post
                      I think the way you see it is fair but the bottom line is there is no single way it is always done.
                      I agree. We didn't base our rate sheet and the splits based on any industry standard. We just discussed it together and came up with what we both thought was fair. Sounds like you need to do a sit down with your BO and work it out. Having a logical reason for rates and the way they are split usually makes everyone feel better about it.
                      You don't scare me. I ride a MARE!

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                      • #12
                        All depends on what the agreement is w/ the barn where you are teaching. It sounds like you are free lancing at the barn, therefore, off-property coaching should be your fee without needing to share since, as you stated the barn is receiving whatever fee for horse use/rental/lease. If the barn wants to make up any lost revenue from horses being off the property they need to account for that in their lease fee and not take it from you. This is based on the assumption that many barns do require a % of lessons or a ring use fee for outside trainers.

                        Are you meeting the clients at the show or helping them at the barn and then all going to show together. If you are meeting them at the show, then I would also think the barn shouldn't be entitled to any of your coaching fees -

                        If I were you, it might be a good idea to have some written agreement between you and the barn - to protect you, the barn and your clients.

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                        • #13
                          I am currently doing the same thing you are. Teaching at a farm and using some of their horses along with mine. When I go to show if the students are using barn horses they pay the horse use to me and then I pay the farm but that is it the horse use fee. I figure it is my time, my truck and trailer and I'm not at the barn so the coaching and trailering is paid to me.

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                            Instead of asking everyone else, just sit down with the barn owner and discuss it.

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                              I didn't have my reading glasses on and wondered what coaching fees had to do with barn cats.

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                                I was in a similar situation where it was in my contract to take kids to the shows. Barn got a lease fee. Barn got the hauling fee. Barn also wanted about half of my coaching fee for the reason stated "without us you wouldn't have anyone to take to the show."

                                When I was taking 2 kids and being gone from 5 am to 7 pm and making $75 I told them I either a) wasn't going to anymore horse shows or b) not sharing my coaching fees since they already got a lease fee.

                                The flip side of this is they wouldn't have anyone interested in horse showing if you weren't offering them that chance either. Obviously go with what others have said and discuss it, just go in armed with some information.
                                Last edited by HRF Second Chance; Sep. 10, 2013, 12:43 PM. Reason: Oye....proper sentence structure (and still missed)

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                                • #17
                                  My barn you pay the trainer directly (personal check made out to her) for coaching fees. The barn doesn't take a cut of that.
                                  I realize that I'm generalizing here, but as is often the case when I generalize, I don't care. ~ Dave Barry

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                                    Originally posted by trubandloki View Post
                                    The other side of that coin is if it was not for the barn you would not have students and horses to take to the show. Their lesson program is what is providing you with the money making opportunity.


                                    I think the way you see it is fair but the bottom line is there is no single way it is always done.
                                    Also, it depends on whether or not the students pay for lessons individually or are in training. If they have already paid up front for full training, and the barn has taken a cut of that training fee, then it might be okay to charge a show fee and keep all of it.
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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by Fillabeana View Post
                                      I didn't have my reading glasses on and wondered what coaching fees had to do with barn cats.
                                      Our barn cats pay zero couching fees.
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                                      2017 goal: learn to ride like TheHorseProblem, er, a barn rat!

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                                      • #20
                                        It depends if you are working FOR the barn or just using their horses/facility. I have only done it where I was working for the barn so I did NOT get full coaching fees but a set amount for each student I was coaching. It was set up the same way for lessons, but I was an employee not "renting" the horses for my own clients.
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