• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Do you let other people ride your horse w/o a helmet?

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #21
    In general, if someone rides my horse at my house, yes, they wear a helmet. But:

    1. I don't dictate to the horse professionals in my life, so if the trainer wants to ride without a helmet, at his place or mine, it's his choice.

    2. If what we're doing is essentially a "pony ride," where I'm leading a non-rider around on a dead broke kid horse, I don't insist on a helmet, although I might offer one.
    "Facts are meaningless. You can use facts to prove anything
    that's even remotely true."

    Homer Simpson

    Comment


    • #22
      Due to insurance issues (horse insurance), I do not let anyone ride my horses. I have let a few people ride them in the past, but not for years now. Perhaps it is because they are pretty hot, but a lot of people see my horses running around their pasture, and they do not ask to ride them.

      Comment


      • #23
        Saitou-Amaya, it is hard to say no, but stick to your guns!!! You can do it.
        “Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.”
        ¯ Oscar Wilde

        Comment


        • #24
          My horse, my rules.

          No helmet, no ride - and I don't care who you are.
          <>< Sorrow Looks Back. Worry Looks Around. Faith Looks Up! -- Being negative only makes a difficult journey more difficult. You may be given a cactus, but you don't have to sit on it.

          Comment


          • #25
            I voted "if its a trainer". My first reaction was NO! NEVER! But then I remembered my old trainer used to hop on my horse sans helmet often - actually, all of my old trainers would (dressage trainer, full time event coach, and H/J trainer).

            I figure, in all of these cases, it was at their facilities, and they carry all of their own insurances.

            I do not currently ride with a trainer - and at my current barn would not let any one ride my horse without a helmet
            APPSOLUTE CHOCKLATE - Photo by Kathy Colman

            Comment


            • #26
              My MIL refuses to wear helmets, and she has many years of professional riding/training experience, (heck of a lot more than me) so I don't push the issue. This has only ever happened on her property, too.

              That's kind of my rule. If someone has more experience (years) than I do and doesn't want to wear a helmet, they are hardly ignorant of the risk. I am just honest about the horse's temperament and training level, and if they choose to get on, I'm not responsible. I'd feel bad if they were hurt on my horse, but it's not like they didn't understand the risk they took. I'd feel BAD, but I wouldn't feel responsible.

              Anyone with less experience than me doesn't get a choice. Never had an issue with someone insisting.

              Very few people ride my horses besides me. Kids don't ride my horses at all. Most of the time, I'm at a facility that requires helmets for riders, no exceptions. Pretty easy.
              Lifestyle coordinator for Zora, Spooky, Wolfgang and Warrior

              Comment


              • #27
                Originally posted by NoSuchPerson View Post
                1. I don't dictate to the horse professionals in my life, so if the trainer wants to ride without a helmet, at his place or mine, it's his choice.
                Don't mean to sound snarky but I hope you have good liability insurance because you can be sued, helmet required or not. That "they should have known better" is not a defense against a lawsuit.

                And for those who believe they'll only be sued for a head injury, all I can say is, "are you kidding me?" Repairing a broken leg can easily run over $100,000 today with surgery, CT scans, MRI's, orthopedic specialists, rehab and lost wages. Ditto ruptured a spleen, broken arm, shoulder, back or neck, etc..

                Even if the person who got hurt is your best friend you honestly believe would never sue, their health insurance company (if they have one) WILL go after you. If they don't have health insurance, the hospital and doctors treating them have attorneys on retainer just for this reason. And even if a lawsuit is bogus and you "win" the case, plan on spending thousands for a good lawyer defending yourself.

                Waivers literally aren't worth the paper they're printed on. Talk to any attorney.

                Best not to let anyone ride your horses without a really good, high dollar liability policy in place or you could literally lose your farm.

                Comment


                • #28
                  Even if the person who got hurt is your best friend you honestly believe would never sue, their health insurance company (if they have one) WILL go after you. If they don't have health insurance, the hospital and doctors treating them have attorneys on retainer just for this reason. And even if a lawsuit is bogus and you "win" the case, plan on spending thousands for a good lawyer defending yourself.
                  Making them wear a helmet will not prevent any of that. Particularly not the broken leg. Making them wear a helmet is a GOOD SIGN that you weren't negligent...but it isn't a get-out-of-court-free pass, not by any stretch. You can be found liable for injuries even if you did insist on a helmet. Heck, you might be found MORE negligent, if a helmet could not have prevented/mitigated the injury (like a broken leg) because it stands to reason that the person assumed they were "safe" by following your rule, and took more risk on board than they would have without a helmet. Honestly, rules are not a protection against ridiculous claims in court.

                  Obviously, I think that wearing a helmet is a good idea, and I recognize the risks that horses pose. On the infrequent occasions where someone else DOES ride my horse, I make sure that they are competent to understand the risks of the activity and aware of my recommendations for safety. Someone more experienced than I am with horses will have a hard time proving that I am CRIMINALLY NEGLIGENT if they chose to mount my horse without a helmet.

                  It is disingenuous to speak as though insisting on helmets will somehow protect/limit the liability of the horse owner in an injury case. It won't. It can be part of a risk mitigation strategy, it may be dictated by your insurance, and it may not protect you WHATSOEVER from being sued. While it is important to understand the risks associated with NOT wearing a helmet, it is also vitally important to recognize the risks of horses that helmets do NOTHING to mitigate.
                  Lifestyle coordinator for Zora, Spooky, Wolfgang and Warrior

                  Comment


                  • #29
                    I voted that I always require a helmet, but I made an exception for my 85+ father who was quite deep into Alzheimers. He didn't want to wear a helmet, and it didn't seem worth the fight...
                    madeline
                    * What you release is what you teach * Don't be distracted by unwanted behavior* Whoever waits the longest is the teacher. Van Hargis

                    Comment


                    • #30
                      I don't let people ride my horses except my trainer and a good family friend may once in a blue moon but both wear helmets. I don't even have to tell them they just do because well it's safer. Even on my amazing, safe, easy boy that my trainer said he'd be one of the only she would ride preggers if she did ever decide to have a baby still puts on a helmet. If she has to jump on a minute and hers is in her trunk she takes mine. Horses are on my property which really makes the nobody on my horse stick as well. To much of a risk. Yet, then we have a state law that in lay mans terms says if your dumb enough to be around a 1200lb animal then it's your risk but that doesn't mean someone or their insurance company won't try to sue and cost me lots of money.

                      Those that think someone won't sue have to realize that maybe they won't but when they have tons of medical bills for injuries that their insurance company has to pay out you best believe that insurance company is coming after you for those bills. I know someone that this happened to on atvs. Two girls crashed both injured badly. Close close family friends but the passengers insurance company went after the driver of the atv and guess what they won.
                      Horses aren't our whole life, but makes our life whole

                      Comment


                      • #31
                        Well, since I've bought my boy, only trainer and I have ridden him, and i've never seen her w/o a helmet (one of the many many reasons I love and respect her ) but no, definitely no helmet=no ride! He is too young and can spook at the most random times so I wouldn't let anyone take the chance. And even the horses you think wouldn't do anything could always spook at something-- you never know what will happen!
                        Follow my instagram @snafflesandwellies for all things horses + fashion!

                        Comment


                        • #32
                          No, I wouldn't demand for them too. I really only allow my trainer to ride my horse, and virtually only when I am out of town. My trainers have sometimes gotten on my horse (and jumped it) without a helmet, if they just hop on quick during a lesson to show me something.

                          Comment


                          • #33
                            I can only think of 3 times that someone other than me or one of my trainers has been on my horse. My trainers always wear helmets, and so did the other 3 people. I would not allow anyone - trainer, friend, Olympian, it doesn't matter who - on my horse without a helmet. I am not giving my umbrella policy insurer an excuse to try to avoid coverage in case of an accident.

                            From a personal perspective, I never ride without a helmet. And I would not employ a trainer foolish enough to ride without a helmet. I am pretty sure Courtney King Dye would agree with that position.
                            Riding a horse is not a gentle hobby, to be picked up and laid down like a game of solitaire. It is a grand passion.... ~ Emerson

                            Comment


                            • #34
                              I voted only the trainer to be truthful. I am mostly a stickler for helmets, and I never get on an unfamiliar animal without full & proper attire. However, I am guilty of getting on the beginner pony to school a canter depart with no helmet. (I would fail USDF certification I guess!), and I do own the pony. But in my world no one, but my assistant on the beginner animal may mount a horse that I own with no helmet, and we should even be more attentive to that.

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X