• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.



Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

WWYD Blog re: drugging at show??

  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Whether she is a newer rider or not she should know that drugging is NOT acceptable whether the trainer allows it or not. My non-horse friends could tell you that is not all right. Hell when I was a mini-stirruper and my first trainer suggested tranq'ing the pony because she was too wild I, yes little mini stirruper me said: isn't that cheating? And then went on to get bucked off BUT I learned how to RIDE and now I haven't ridden a horse that phases me. If she had been drugged like trainer wanted (we left after that) do you think I would have learned to ride? Or just sit on the horse like all non-equestrians think we do? Like I said she knows what she did was wrong and illegal and she basically states that right in her blog. I have no problems calling them out because I am sick of all the cheaters around here.

    *rant over*
    "People who think their brains are not worth protecting are probably right!"
    - quoted by Martha Drum


    • Originally posted by Ponytoes View Post
      And I think she has been called out thanks to this thread, the naieve blogger (my description) and horseshowsonline. I doubt we will get an explanation. I find it very ironic that this thread is right next to the Town Hall Meeting thread that find8 and other people are upset about - you think they are following this one?
      OK.. So when you referred to "they" you were speaking of ...?


      • Originally posted by skydy View Post
        OK.. So when you referred to "they" you were speaking of ...?
        USEF, USHJA, you pick, they are not doing us justice, the "drug" fee I pay at every show makes me want to laugh, especially when I read stuff like this.....and other things that are only worse.


        • Originally posted by wcporter View Post
          {quoting the original blogger} There were 3 rather large puddles, we’d have to go through/around them eventually to get to jumps. Thankfully HORSE didn’t care about them (druggies kicking in)
          Oy yoi yoi yoi Santa Maria and Gott im Himmel Help me Rhonda.

          Originally posted by findeight View Post
          Going to a show when the horse needs a pop for rider to get it through a puddle is cringe worthy.

          To paraphrase George Carlin, "Why the f bother going to a show in the first place?" Just ride at home. What is the big deal with going to shows? It's not a requisite for enjoying your horse. I guess the trainer is bringing the pressure for $$$.

          Some folks may consider a twentysomething a kid. But there is no excuse for someone her age to claim ignorance that "everything you post on the interwebz is forever," she'd have been taught that since elementary school.

          And this from a forty-something cyberphobe whose most recent fb post was literally a picture of some double chocolate Klondike bars.

          I can ride my horses without a sharps container.


          • Originally posted by Ponytoes View Post
            USEF, USHJA, you pick, they are not doing us justice, the "drug" fee I pay at every show makes me want to laugh, especially when I read stuff like this.....and other things that are only worse.
            Yes. I don't believe they will pay attention unless the "hush hush" culture changes and until people keep on pushing the governing bodies of their sport, who are complacent (if not joining right in...).

            BBs will prove a powerful tool to this end, as long as people are willing to follow up.

            The internet is helping the cause, don't you think?


            • Martha Drum, I entered and exited facebook in a short span of time.

              Nice to see family and friends photos etc.. Otherwise WAY too much info and input from so many directions..

              Friends and family know my email address and can send the photos there...

              Love the "Help me Rhonda" !

              findeight, I remember struggling with my pony, who was going down to roll in puddle. It never occurred to me what anyone else thought about it, it was all about how to keep pony from rolling in the puddle, and using everything I had been taught to keep it from happening. Tranq was never hinted at where I was taught.

              I did ride relatively "hot" beasts as well during those years, 2 different trainers, and not once did they pull out the needle. I suppose I was lucky..
              Ye gads, I must be old and out of it..

              ETA Embarrassment while trying to manage horse would have been much more bearable than drugging to "get ahead ".
              Last edited by skydy; Apr. 26, 2013, 03:06 AM.


              • Originally posted by mscho View Post
                But after really thinking on this, it's pretty hard not take some pity on this rider. Yes, what she did seems deplorable to the majority of us, and even though she's pegged as a earl 20's adult, she's clearly been fed some pretty pisspoor, misinformed advice in her horsey education. By openly blogging about this, to me, indicates pure ignorance. She's been told and taught this is ok, and as far as I'm concerned this "kid" is merely a product of very very poor instruction and guidance. The trainer is solely responsible for this situation.
                So in your world no responsibility on the rider/horse owner, all the trainer's fault?

                The rider's apology that is now on her blog sounds less like she did not know this was not the best way to deal with the situation and more like she thought her blog was only followed by her best buddies and they would understand.

                Even the blogger admits that she asked for the cocktail. She texted the trainer and asked for the horse to be drugged. The trainer did not search her out and stick her horse with out her input.


                • I'm curious what these "cocktails" are, and if they are even legal for horse owners to posses and administer? I have never seen "cocktails" available in any of my catalogues.


                  • I think the fact that she called them "druggies" most disturbs me. I don’t know why......maybe because calling them a cutesy name shows me she thinks drugging is totally ok.

                    God forbid the horse actually be himself at a show and express himself while he is still learning the ropes too. Seems like it was chilly that day. Maybe they should have arranged for a more experienced rider warm him up for her. Maybe she should have pulled him off the trailer early in the day and worked him instead of letting him sit on the trailer for hours. Or maybe she should have at least walked him around and let him see the sights, hand graze, etc. When I was showing as a kid with my trainer, horses were either tied to the trailer outside eating hay and we stayed with them OR they were attached to our arm walking around, grazing, hanging out. We also walked up hill both ways to the show, in the snow, etc.


                    • Ha ActNatural, same here. If you couldn't ride your horse, either the trainer got on it (that IS what you pay them for...) or you rode through it, OR just schooled and not showed.

                      Drugging teaches nothing and is a risk to the horse (Humble anyone ?It's been almos a year, have we forgotten?). If the horse is THAT beside itself, back to schooling at home and shows.

                      I have a young, hot mare. I took her to rinky dink schooling shows to get her used to it. I also let her grow up.

                      Honesty, I always have drugs with me. Taking babies to shows, I actually had one flip out and come out the person door on the turnpike on the way home. I was glad I had drugs. Then we spent lots MORE time prepping at home and "training". Guess what? Baby is now a young horse that has learned to adapt. Drugging is NOT the solution. It is a bandaid.
                      Come to the dark side, we have cookies


                      • This is the HCHSA at Swan Lake Stables on April 20th, right?


                        • Originally posted by wishfulthinking711 View Post
                          Hell when I was a mini-stirruper and my first trainer suggested tranq'ing the pony because she was too wild I, yes little mini stirruper me said: isn't that cheating? And then went on to get bucked off BUT I learned how to RIDE and now I haven't ridden a horse that phases me. If she had been drugged like trainer wanted (we left after that) do you think I would have learned to ride? Or just sit on the horse like all non-equestrians think we do?
                          While I don't agree at all that kids learn to ride from being tossed and bucked off, ponies and horses shouldn't be drugged at shows.

                          They should be trained appropriately for the job.

                          Accident can happen, but Whishfullthinking, you were pretty lucky not to have suffered any major injuries that could have end your riding career pretty early.
                          ~ Enjoying some guac and boxed wine at the Blue Saddle inn. ~

                          Originally posted by LauraKY
                          I'm sorry, but this has "eau de hoarder" smell all over it.
                          HORSING mobile training app


                          • Originally posted by sammicat View Post
                            Update: FWIW, IMO, looking the other way is always the easiest solution. Unfortunately, bad behavior counts on that!
                            "All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke
                            Equine Photography in the Northeast


                            • I like how the blogger says not to judge bc horse is new to showing and needs "positive experiences." BUt that is exactly what drugging the poor horse will keep him from having, because it stops him from being able to have a capable rider help him work through his understandable nervousness and learn that everything is ok.

                              I took my horse to his first show at 4. It was cold. There were ponies in coolers that he thought were aliens sent to eat him and tents and loudspeakers and lots and lots of activity. He freaked the F out. I barely got him through the first big warm up ring you have to go though to get to the green bean ring. Then we had to walk though the gauntlet of loudspeakers and alien ponies. Then we had to look at tents.

                              We did not make it into our first set of classes and ended up just working in the warm up ring until the tension left his body and he stopped feeling like a rocket set for take off. Then he went back, got treats and stood on the trailer munching hay for a few hours. Then we tacked up again and worked in the big warm up ring (much calmer), stood around by the in gate for a while and then went and schooled over jumps (unjudged) in B ring that was done for the day (with organizer's permission).

                              No drugs were necessary or used to create what turned out to be a very successful and positive experience for him, even though it didn't follow the original plan for the day and we never got judged. Yes, I was the person with the slightly crazy horse that everyone wanted to stay away from, but I also stayed away from everyone else and took pains to make sure that, even when I felt like I was sitting on a loaded missle ready for lauch, I met his nervous craziness with nothing but calm and the occasional firm direction to do as he was told.

                              Next show, he was a gem and we won our greenie classes. And he's gotten better and calmer every time we go to another show. I feel like the fact that he can experience and remember everything clearly makes that possible and that his learning experience would only be hindered by "druggies."


                              • This is so wrong. I hope there is a significant consequence for the rider and trainer.


                                • Originally posted by Martha Drum View Post
                                  And this from a forty-something cyberphobe whose most recent fb post was literally a picture of some double chocolate Klondike bars.
                                  Auventera Two:Some women would eat their own offspring if they had some dipping sauce.
                                  Serious Leigh: it sounds like her drama llama should be an old schoolmaster by now.


                                  • I'm in the camp of out the trainer. Put the name here for all to see! Some of us would like to know who to stay away from in the future.
                                    "IT'S NOT THE MOUNTAIN WE CONQUER, BUT OURSELVES." SIR EDMUND HILLARYMember of the "Someone Special To Me Serves In The Military" Clique


                                    • Originally posted by wishfulthinking711 View Post
                                      A copy of the blog was sent to the president of the association. That is probably why
                                      WT711 - Just out of curiosity - how do you know this^^??

                                      Re the rider, if this "kid" is old enough to vote, drive and join the military, its darn scary to me that she seems to think this was ok...........
                                      First horse or not, doesn't matter. Does she go off and smoke a doobie when she's nervous?
                                      We don't get less brave; we get a bigger sense of self-preservation........


                                      • Originally posted by Kenike View Post
                                        I'm in the camp of out the trainer. Put the name here for all to see! Some of us would like to know who to stay away from in the future.
                                        Not allowed by forum rules.

                                        It's not hard to find...so if you really want to know, just do the work.
                                        Keith: "Now...let's do something normal fathers and daughters do."
                                        Veronica: "Buy me a pony?"


                                        • Horse Show Online has a listing of the rider, horse and trainer that placed in the ribbons for each of the classes and divisions.