• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Kineton Noseband

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Kineton Noseband

    Do they really work? What bits have you used one with?

    Tell me a bit about the horse you used one on.

    TIA!

  • #2
    Worked great for me. Takes the bit pressure off of the bars and puts it on the nose instead. I used it with a very sensitive horse and a soft snaffle bit.

    Comment

    • Original Poster

      #3
      Why did you decide to try the noseband? Was the horse a puller?

      Comment


      • #4
        I used one for a while on a TB that was built incredibly downhill, but had a relatively soft mouth and was a fun horse to jump. It worked great to help keep him off the forehand and from pulling downward without having to upgrade the bit.

        Comment


        • #5
          The horses I used it on were not comfortable with the bits pressure on the bars of their mouths. That can result in pulling....but using a harsh bit is, in my opinion not the answer. Training the horse to listedn to the seat and leg when they were not distracted by mouth pain was helpful.

          Comment


          • #6
            I am riding a horse that gets bruised bars irrespective of what bit is being used and how how soft you are. I ride at a large H/J barn and no one has seen this before and we have about 50 horses in training. However, the experienced equine dentist that comes up 2x per year has, and recommended a noseband to keep the bit from pulling on the horse's bars. The horse is currenlty in a worcester noseband (quite similar action to the kineton) with a rubber snaffle and is happy as all get out. Many people consider this a harsh piece of equipment but for horses that are very sensitive to bar pressure I would suggest this is a much kinder alternative. Having said all this, I do find that I have lost some sensitivity with this gear (no surprise) and really need to set up tight turns with the leg first. I expect in the right hands and being used for the right reasons, a kineton can be very useful. Depending on the issue, you may also want to look at some of the combination bit/hackamores. Good luck.

            Comment


            • #7
              Are these legal in the hunter ring? It looks like something my gelding would love.

              Comment


              • #8
                I don't think they are illegal in the hunter ring but a judge would definitely consider them unconventional and likely assume that you are using it because you require more control than a bit would give you. My intent is to do a quick noseband change before warming up.

                Comment


                • #9
                  lynnland- could you use a Baucher for your horse? I think that type of bit keeps the pressure off the bars and is more stable in the horses mouth. Still not a traditional hunter bit but less noticeable than the Kineton.
                  Oh, well, clearly you're not thoroughly indoctrinated to COTH yet, because finger pointing and drawing conclusions are the cornerstones of this great online community. (Tidy Rabbit)

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Hi SonnysMom,
                    I can see how the Baucher would keep a bit steadier in the mouth but pulling back on the reins would still pull it onto the bars when the horse is moving properly, or am I missing something here? A 2-3 ring gag would raise a bit off his bars when you pull on the reins but I am hesitant to go there unless I have to. Sorry for accidently hijacking the post

                    Comment

                    • Original Poster

                      #11
                      No problem about the hijack.

                      I am looking for more information from people who have used it on a puller/rooter versus a sensitive mouth.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        bM - I wonder if the reason it works on pullers and rooters is because the pulling and rooting is a reaction to the horse not appreciating pressure in a sensitive mouth? I use one on my TB mare, and she goes beautifully in it, I think due to the stability it provides the bit. Truly, I don't see how it could stop a very strong horse, but because the action is so different, I think horses that are strong (as an avoidance) in a regular bit accept the action more readily, and in turn it seems like a train stopper as they're much more ridable.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          I don't think I would use this noseband on a stereotypical puller/ rooter. It applies pressure to the nose, like a hackamore, and encourages them to drop their heads down. I can see how it would work for a bar sensitive horse.

                          I have successfully used it on a sensitive mouthed head tosser (Tossing head to avoid contact - no physical problems) who liked to get WAY above the bit and take off. The classes I showed him in I couldn't use a standing martingale (otherwise I would have done that). I used it with a D Waterford.

                          It's not that strong, wouldn't have much effect on a truly determined horse.
                          Unrepentant carb eater

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            we had a TB in the jumpers we used one on. could be a bit of a runaway at shows especially, just freight train strong, not rooting. we used it only at shows, and only the fitst day if a multi-day show,worked great. (there have been a number of other threads on this, btw)

                            Comment

                            Working...
                            X