• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

The Do's and Don't of Trainers and Other Profressionals

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #21
    Take good care of my horse. This is #1. Don't treat him unfairly under saddle or on the ground.

    Tell the truth. While I expect you to do what you're supposed to do, I also realize stuff happens (family emergency, someone gets launched and you need to take them to the ER, horse gets sick and you have to take it to the clinic) and maybe my horse gets a turnout instead of getting ridden one day. Or gets a hand walk when his rehab calls for a tack walk that day. But when I ask you how things went don't fabricate a ride that didn't happen. Or have your assistant tell me one thing and you tell me another because that means at least one person isn't telling the truth. Telling the truth also covers situations when you are asked if a client should do something or realistically have a goal of doing something. I think this also covers the pet peeve of the OP. If you request that other clients or someone else doesn't ride your horse, then the trainer should honor this request. If for some reason, the trainer feels it's necessary then they should talk to you about it beforehand. I have a short list of people that can ride mine and I believe it's been honored.

    Don't badmouth other clients in front of me. Because I figure if you're badmouthing me to them then the opposite is probably happening.

    Assume that I know something about horse care. Don't try to wave away what I think is a medical or other concern. Let me use the vet I want to use (and I promise, in return, to keep you apprised of what is going on). If you know something bad about said vet that you think you should share with me please let me know.

    If I contact you with something that needs an answer or other response, please get back to me. I will do the same.
    The Evil Chem Prof

    Comment


    • #22
      Believe me when I tell you my budget is $X when shopping for a horse/planning show season/looking for a used saddle through your contacts. $X really is all I have, so please don't show me options for $X + $Y. I can't afford it, and it just annoys me.

      Comment

      • Original Poster

        #23
        Originally posted by sammicat View Post
        Do not use my fees/board/etc. to subsidize other riders, unless you are doing so out of your pocket.

        Do not let other people ride my horse without my knowledge.

        Do realize that people have jobs and commitments outside of the barn and may not be able to always accommodate your schedule.

        Do not tell me you are schooling my horse and actually have someone else school him.

        Do not use my tack and equipment for lessons because your tack is lost, dirty, or missing.

        Do not lend out my tack to your friends.

        DO NOT LIE TO ME when I ask you a question.
        I agree with all of this.

        Comment

        • Original Poster

          #24
          Originally posted by MillysGirl View Post
          Believe me when I tell you my budget is $X when shopping for a horse/planning show season/looking for a used saddle through your contacts. $X really is all I have, so please don't show me options for $X + $Y. I can't afford it, and it just annoys me.
          Yes and don't put the guilt trip on me because of my budget or tell me there is nothing out there for me.

          Comment


          • #25
            Don't show TOO much favoritism for your wealthiest client.

            I've experienced this with several trainers. There's always the client in the barn with the nicest horses and biggest checkbook, and yes, they should be kept very happy. But don't make it SO obvious in front of your other clients that one of us is worth more time and attention than the others - even is he or she literally is.

            Comment


            • #26
              Do treat me the way you would like me to treat you. No better and no worse.

              Do understand my horse means the world to me and is my #1 priority. If you make me choose between him and you, I will choose him every time.

              Comment


              • #27
                Be honest, be consistent and be fair.

                Do not compare me to other students. I don't want to hear that you have a total beginner that rides my challenging 1/2 lease horse better than I do. I find it hard to believe and I know she's not jumping 2'9 courses and maybe he's being a brat for me because you put her on him yesterday!

                If you have something to discuss with me, chat with me. Don't send messages through "runners."

                Respect a client's knowledge. I may be an ammy and a lease client but I've been riding as long as you and have plenty of horsemanship experience. I too have dealt with injuries, tack issues, behavior issues etc.

                I'm almost 50, don't bark at me, explain how to do something and listen to me when I explain my ride. Encourage me to think for myself how to solve a problem.

                Please do me the courtesy of being there (in mind as well as body) for our appointed lesson time. Turn off the cell phone and teach. If the schedule changes let me know ASAP. I schedule barn time around family, work and other commitments.

                If you have favorite clients that's fine. We are human and some people "click." I just don't want to have it waved in my face. Don't ignore me in a lesson in favor of her, don't offer her a list of horses to ride while I'm there helping get schoolies ready and sweeping aisles. Give her the list in private and at least thank me for helping out.

                Foster a positive atmosphere by discouraging gossip, encouraging a helpful attitude and at least outwardly, treating all clients the same.
                F O.B
                Resident racing historian ~~~ Re-riders Clique
                Founder of the Mighty Thoroughbred Clique

                Comment


                • #28
                  DO treat my horse with the same respect as you would one of your own.

                  DONT just assume that I don't know anything, or that I can't do anything by myself

                  DO keep me up to date on everything that has to do with my horse, especially when I'm out of town. If you feel like your annoying me with pictures and updates, then your doing it right.

                  DONT get hooked on one training method. Not every horse can be trained in the same way, some need different techniques.

                  DO give me my bill in a timely fashion. If you want it paid by the first of the month, then give me the invoice at least a week in advance so I can get everything together for you.

                  DONT play favorites. Just don't. It creates unnecessary drama.

                  DO be proactive in keeping up the property. If someone has an issue with something, granted thats its reasonable, try to listen and take their suggestions. More often then not, it can help bring in more students.

                  DONT have people who aren't familiar with horses put boots on for turnout.

                  All in all just be gracious, and be the trainer that you would want. Push when its needed, but take a step back when your rider is becoming overwhelmed. Be a trainer first, and a friend second.
                  www.diaryofahunterprincess.wordpress.com

                  Comment


                  • #29
                    Can "Profressional" please become "professionals"?
                    Dina
                    www.olddominionsaddlery.com
                    http://www.facebook.com/olddominionsaddlery Like us on Facebook!!

                    Comment


                    • #30
                      Don't put just any saddle on my horse. I spent money and time having saddles fitted to my horse. If I say to use them, then use them. I don't care that your saddle "fits everything I've ever ridden." It did not. You just weren't aware.

                      You never know-- that ride in the poorly fitting fancy name brand saddle might be the last time my horse is ever sound.
                      A helmet saved my life.

                      2017 goal: learn to ride like TheHorseProblem, er, a barn rat!

                      Comment


                      • #31
                        Just moved, not out of a bad situation, just from a small private barn with excellent care to a larger barn with a trainer.

                        DO understand when I show up with a horse prone to stress that he doesn't normally look like this (thanks horse, for dropping weight and making me look bad).

                        DO say you'll stuff the hay net or do "whatever" he needs to gain the weight back...and then when I come out at night, and I find the hay net still stuffed full!!

                        DO work with me on a feeding plan for what last year was an easy keeper and this year is not, feed some of your grain to see if he'll like it before I drop basically $1/pound on an expensive grain...and then let me know not only will he eat it, but you're feeding it to him until I get mine out there.

                        DO work with me while find ways to feed the horse and not feed the donkey!

                        DO send me hilarious videos via text of the donkey trying his best to get part of the food in the nose bag, and failing.

                        DO tell me you like my animals and like that I am boarding with you now.


                        I've been boarding for less than two weeks and this has all happened already. I'm in a happy place. Just wanted to put it out there since so many have bad experiences. I don't think any of the above is hard to do, but rare as hen's teeth, so...yeah.
                        COTH's official mini-donk enabler

                        "I am all for reaching out, but in some situations it needs to be done with a rolled up news paper." Alagirl

                        Comment


                        • #32
                          I have been thrilled with my current barn and previous barn (lucky me!) but based on past experiences....

                          DON'T gossip about other boarders/riders with me. It might be meant as friendly chitchat but it invariably makes me wonder what you say about me when I'm not there.

                          DON'T be a know it all. None of us know it all. My favorite barns/trainers have been all about education, clinics, books, seminars, etc - we are all learning about this lifelong pursuit together.

                          DON'T make promises you can't keep. You can't guarantee a horse will or won't sell in a certain time frame for a specific price - so don't promise that it will. Don't promise that my moderately talented horse will achieve any lofty goals. It makes you look inexperienced at best, dishonest at worst.

                          And from my current and previous fabulous trainers....

                          DO treat my horse like she's priceless. To me, she is. (This is not to say I don't want you to discipline her if needed.) Excellent care is my number one priority, and I need to know that I can trust you to provide it.

                          DO laugh with me. I do this for fun, I'm not all that good at it, and sometimes I ride like a coked up lemur. Sometimes laughing about it is all I've got, so please enjoy the ride with me.

                          DO encourage me when I need it, DO help me figure out reasonable goals, DO help me develop a plan to get to them. When you're young it's easy to dream big dreams. At this point I am more in touch with reality, and I want to know that what I'm doing is moving me and my horse toward realistic goals.

                          DO be honest about everything. If board is going up, tell me. If my horse didn't get her training ride this week, tell me. If we're not ready for an upcoming show, tell me. Be polite and reasonable. I am not trying to make your life hell, but we do have a business relationship and I need to know what's going on. Telling the truth - even when it may be painful - is part of the deal.


                          So many other great ones listed here - COTH should write a handbook!

                          Comment


                          • #33
                            Texting some guy you met in a bar while I'm introducing my greenie to jumps? huh? really?

                            after reading these posts I'm so glad I only occasionally ride at clinics...I think I'd hurt somebody who acted like most of the above posters' comments.

                            Comment


                            • #34
                              Originally posted by outside__line View Post
                              DO laugh with me. I do this for fun, I'm not all that good at it, and sometimes I ride like a coked up lemur. Sometimes laughing about it is all I've got, so please enjoy the ride with me.
                              This is both hysterical....and sadly true for me. In a recent lesson, trainer and I both ended up in stitches because I was "doing the hokey pokey up there"! I was trying to trot an 18" crossrail that was the in to a gymnastic, on my pretty darn broke, will jump through a ring of fire type horse.

                              This thread makes me want to take my trainer to dinner. Or buy her a gift. Or just tell her THANK YOU.

                              Comment


                              • #35
                                Originally posted by Chezzie View Post
                                This is both hysterical....and sadly true for me. In a recent lesson, trainer and I both ended up in stitches because I was "doing the hokey pokey up there"! I was trying to trot an 18" crossrail that was the in to a gymnastic, on my pretty darn broke, will jump through a ring of fire type horse.

                                This thread makes me want to take my trainer to dinner. Or buy her a gift. Or just tell her THANK YOU.
                                A public shout out will do! Love ya Chezzie!

                                Comment


                                • #36
                                  Originally posted by Chezzie View Post
                                  In a recent lesson, trainer and I both ended up in stitches because I was "doing the hokey pokey up there"!
                                  Personally, I like to pantomime jumping a 5' oxer when trotting over crossrails. My poor trainer is a very good sport about my antics!

                                  Comment


                                  • #37
                                    Originally posted by CGolden View Post
                                    A public shout out will do! Love ya Chezzie!
                                    I'm going to remind you about this post next time I have a schooling break meltdown...

                                    In all seriousness, though, reading the shady things people have had done to them by professionals makes me feel very lucky...and very glad I have stayed in my trainer's program for the better part of a decade.

                                    Comment


                                    • #38
                                      Do not schedule lessons with clients and then turn around and post on facebook about you trailering out to another place at the same time you were supposed to give said lessons and not notify your clients.

                                      Comment


                                      • #39
                                        Originally posted by Linny View Post
                                        Do not compare me to other students.
                                        Unless it's in a good way. The nicest thing my trainer has ever said to me (when talking about how I get really nervous about stupid things because I came off so much in the past) "The only reason you're not right up there with P. (one of his Grand Prix jumper students) is because you were over faced back then. I'm not going to do that to you here, but there's no reason you can't jump like her one day if that's what you want to do. You are capable of that." I still get warm fuzzies from that one.

                                        Comment


                                        • #40
                                          Originally posted by outside__line View Post
                                          [S]ometimes I ride like a coked up lemur.
                                          Good lord, were we separated at birth?

                                          Hey trainers: turn off your flippin' cell phone!

                                          Also: if your client's horse stops sweating in the middle of show season, explain why you have to take him off the schedule, even though it's gonna cost you money. Showing him in August when it's 115 in the shade and he's panting like a labradoodle at the in gate, that's abuse, honey.
                                          Dreadful Acres: the chronicle of my extraordinary unsuitability to country life

                                          Comment

                                          Working...
                                          X