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    • Like I've been saying....people/kids are being taught to "show", not taught to "ride"!! If this is the way of the future...at least it gives "non-riders" a place to show!! Is "beginner standing" in the future???
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      • Originally posted by S A McKee View Post
        Apparently you were not. She already won a GP. Seems like there are a usually a few pros in the GP.
        you said: "She can't compete in FEI classes until she is 18 can she? I seem to remember Reed Kessler having to wait until 18 until she could compete in many GPs"
        From your post it really sounds like you were clueless about GP's and how many are US National rules. Point being ( just to clear it up for you) there is no 18 yr old rule in USEF GP's.
        Note the sentence you quoted above. "FEI GP's" "Many (not most) GP's"..

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        • Originally posted by crosscreeksh View Post
          Like I've been saying....people/kids are being taught to "show", not taught to "ride"!! If this is the way of the future...at least it gives "non-riders" a place to show!! Is "beginner standing" in the future???
          The market it supplying what is demanded--something for kids (and older riders) who aren't doing 3'6", who want to show, whose trainers are focused on taking clients to A/AA shows but still want those other clients, and want them to pay full price, too. Add in that there aren't the lower-level rated shows in many areas, let alone hunter-oriented locals (which still wouldn't allow the trainer to be in two places at once), and the big shows, especially the ones that essentially run over weeks, are trying to be the one-stop shop. Give EVERYONE in the family something to do.

          People who board with show barns expect to show. They're paying the money, they need to get something for it. Shows want to make money. Trainers would prefer to have all their clients in one place. Little kids want to feel like they're doing the 'real thing'. From the show and the trainer's perspective, the sooner they're hooked, the more future juniors they have begging Mom and Dad for more lessons, better ponies, more shows, etc. Apparently the only people being harmed are the ones who, forty years ago, rode their horses to shows, uphill, both ways, in three feet of snow, to jump only 3'6" or higher, once the trainer had deemed them ready, in pancake saddles, with full bridles, for $5/class, over an outside course, and why won't these young whippersnappers show some respect! It's not hurting anyone, least of all the other people competing in what is ultimately a pricey hobby sport that relies on relatively low-level ammies (with more money than time and ability) to keep writing checks to participate.
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          • I'm 33, and our local circuit had a class called Leadline Walk when I was doing leadline (so almost 30 years ago)-- the parents stayed in the center of the ring and walked next to the pony if necessary but didn't lead it. Beginning of the end, I guess

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            • Originally posted by Highflyer View Post
              I'm 33, and our local circuit had a class called Leadline Walk when I was doing leadline (so almost 30 years ago)-- the parents stayed in the center of the ring and walked next to the pony if necessary but didn't lead it. Beginning of the end, I guess
              I hope you realize how lucky you are to have survived the life threatening mayhem that must have been that class.

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              • Just an added thought to the many that have been this thread;

                I noticed on the weekends during some pretty big classes that will draw a crowd they put the lead line classes after....

                I wonder if this is just to bring spectators to the shows to eat, drink, spend money and awww at the cute little kiddos....
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                • I'm aiming for a Older Ammy (who may or may not have spanx on) W/T/maybe Canter a Few Strides If You Don't Bounce Off Of the Horse That Is Way Too Nice for You class.

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                  • Originally posted by danceronice View Post
                    The market it supplying what is demanded--something for kids (and older riders) who aren't doing 3'6", who want to show, whose trainers are focused on taking clients to A/AA shows but still want those other clients, and want them to pay full price, too. Add in that there aren't the lower-level rated shows in many areas, let alone hunter-oriented locals (which still wouldn't allow the trainer to be in two places at once), and the big shows, especially the ones that essentially run over weeks, are trying to be the one-stop shop. Give EVERYONE in the family something to do.

                    People who board with show barns expect to show. They're paying the money, they need to get something for it. Shows want to make money. Trainers would prefer to have all their clients in one place. Little kids want to feel like they're doing the 'real thing'. From the show and the trainer's perspective, the sooner they're hooked, the more future juniors they have begging Mom and Dad for more lessons, better ponies, more shows, etc. Apparently the only people being harmed are the ones who, forty years ago, rode their horses to shows, uphill, both ways, in three feet of snow, to jump only 3'6" or higher, once the trainer had deemed them ready, in pancake saddles, with full bridles, for $5/class, over an outside course, and why won't these young whippersnappers show some respect! It's not hurting anyone, least of all the other people competing in what is ultimately a pricey hobby sport that relies on relatively low-level ammies (with more money than time and ability) to keep writing checks to participate.
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                    • I personally don't care what classes a horse show has. As long as they have enough rings (such as the venue mentioned) that the Adult Ammies don't get pushed to a weekday.

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                      • I think the problem is that it becomes something of a joke very quickly. Lead line is cute, and it makes no pretense of being a serious, 'performance' class. Some places it's placed, others everybody gets a blue ribbon. But really, it's just to get dressed up and be cute.

                        But you mention a Beginner Walk class to both people who ride and thoses who don't, and the reaction is "Seriously!?!" They can't tell if you're serious or not. So when something gets that kind of reaction, then you know it's pretty out there. Only those making money off of it love it.

                        As for kids who want to do what big brother/big sister do? That's called "instilling a desire to work hard for what you want". What's wrong with waiting until you can actually do Short Stirrup?

                        Personally, if I had a kid who won a blue ribbon in Beginner Walk at Thermal, I'd be embarrased to hang up the ribbon. "Oh, your child won a Thermal? Wow, that's impressive. What division?" "Um . . . .beginner walk . . . ."
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                        • Originally posted by ynl063w View Post
                          I also don't recall ever seeing junior riders like Victoria Colvin and Lillie Keenan beating out (or even competing with) the professionals on a regular basis back then,.
                          Um, I hate to get into a 'but back then' comment, but actually they did, much more commonly then now. In the 70s and early 80s, it wasn't unusual at all to have a junior riding a horse (and winning) in the Pregreens, Greens or Regulars. They wern't considered Pro classes per se, just Open classes.

                          However, we've just gone through a full generation of riders that preferred to compete against their own peers, rather than challenge themselves in the Open classes. They prefer to let a trainer make their horses, rather than doing so themselves. So now when you do see a Junior enter those classes, it's more of an anomality than it used to be.

                          So no, it may be a new phenomena for this generation, but not for previous.
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                          • No one gripes about leadline

                            No one should gripe about a "walk" class.

                            If you don't like it, then don't enter your child, your horse, and don't watch.

                            So we're including little kids who can presumably stop and steer, or who are on horses who understand the words "walk, halt, reverse and come to the center facing the ring steward".

                            Is the sport dumbed down?

                            Not any more than the entire country, but that's a whole, nuther, non horse related thread.

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                            • Originally posted by 2ndyrgal View Post
                              No one should gripe about a "walk" class.


                              Is the sport dumbed down?

                              Not any more than the entire country, but that's a whole, nuther, non horse related thread.

                              LOL. And that about sums it up!
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                              • Originally posted by 2ndyrgal View Post
                                Is the sport dumbed down?

                                Not any more than the entire country, but that's a whole, nuther, non horse related thread.
                                So the answer would be YES.
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                                • Actually, the answer is:

                                  Hell Yes.

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                                  • Originally posted by danceronice View Post
                                    The market it supplying what is demanded--something for kids (and older riders) who aren't doing 3'6", who want to show, whose trainers are focused on taking clients to A/AA shows but still want those other clients, and want them to pay full price, too. Add in that there aren't the lower-level rated shows in many areas, let alone hunter-oriented locals (which still wouldn't allow the trainer to be in two places at once), and the big shows, especially the ones that essentially run over weeks, are trying to be the one-stop shop. Give EVERYONE in the family something to do.

                                    People who board with show barns expect to show. They're paying the money, they need to get something for it. Shows want to make money. Trainers would prefer to have all their clients in one place. Little kids want to feel like they're doing the 'real thing'. From the show and the trainer's perspective, the sooner they're hooked, the more future juniors they have begging Mom and Dad for more lessons, better ponies, more shows, etc. Apparently the only people being harmed are the ones who, forty years ago, rode their horses to shows, uphill, both ways, in three feet of snow, to jump only 3'6" or higher, once the trainer had deemed them ready, in pancake saddles, with full bridles, for $5/class, over an outside course, and why won't these young whippersnappers show some respect! It's not hurting anyone, least of all the other people competing in what is ultimately a pricey hobby sport that relies on relatively low-level ammies (with more money than time and ability) to keep writing checks to participate.
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                                    • Originally posted by Coreene View Post
                                      Here was the convo before I started this thread:

                                      Me: "Holy s**t, you will not believe this, Thermal has a Beginner Walk class!"

                                      Friend: "Oh my God, shoot me now, what's next?"
                                      That's pretty much the response I get from everybody. After they look at me for a long, long time, studying me to make sure I'm not pulling their leg.
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                                      • Originally posted by Thoroughbred1201 View Post
                                        Um, I hate to get into a 'but back then' comment, but actually they did, much more commonly then now. In the 70s and early 80s, it wasn't unusual at all to have a junior riding a horse (and winning) in the Pregreens, Greens or Regulars. They wern't considered Pro classes per se, just Open classes.

                                        However, we've just gone through a full generation of riders that preferred to compete against their own peers, rather than challenge themselves in the Open classes. They prefer to let a trainer make their horses, rather than doing so themselves. So now when you do see a Junior enter those classes, it's more of an anomality than it used to be.

                                        So no, it may be a new phenomena for this generation, but not for previous.
                                        Your claims were certainly not true in my area on the East Coast (in one of the more competitive zones I might add) in the late 70s to mid 80s; perhaps it was true elsewhere in the country?

                                        Back then in this area, the majority of the juniors stayed on ponies until they aged out, and those who did move out of the pony divisions showed their horses solely in the classes that are restricted to juniors. I can't think of a single junior who showed in the open classes.

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                                        • Originally posted by ynl063w View Post
                                          Your claims were certainly not true in my area on the East Coast (in one of the more competitive zones I might add) in the late 70s to mid 80s; perhaps it was true elsewhere in the country?

                                          Back then in this area, the majority of the juniors stayed on ponies until they aged out, and those who did move out of the pony divisions showed their horses solely in the classes that are restricted to juniors. I can't think of a single junior who showed in the open classes.
                                          Interesting. I'm on the other coast, so that would expalin it. Lots of juniors in the open classes in the 70s and 80s.
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