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  • Published "handbook" for a barn requires GPAs or ATH for junior riders!?!

    I was reading a handbook for a barn that someone shared on another thread. The handbook itself is pretty good (http://www.huntcliffstables.com/hand_book.htm), and has some good information, but one of the rules is this:

    Effective November 1st, 2003, riders 18 years and under MUST wear NEW International ATH or GPA helmets. These helmets can be purchased in any tack store and are usually between $100 and $350. We recommend Tack Tavern 1600 S. Main St, Alpharetta GA 770-475-8225. This is for your safety!! No exceptions!!

    Requiring approved helmets is one thing (and a good thing)...but SKUNK helmets? I think that should be rider's choice.

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    I was reading a handbook for a barn that someone shared on another thread. The handbook itself is pretty good (http://www.huntcliffstables.com/hand_book.htm), and has some good information, but one of the rules is this:

    Effective November 1st, 2003, riders 18 years and under MUST wear NEW International ATH or GPA helmets. These helmets can be purchased in any tack store and are usually between $100 and $350. We recommend Tack Tavern 1600 S. Main St, Alpharetta GA 770-475-8225. This is for your safety!! No exceptions!!

    Requiring approved helmets is one thing (and a good thing)...but SKUNK helmets? I think that should be rider's choice.

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    • #3
      I don't like them either, but some people feel they are safer and look better b/c they are the IN thing now. Most BNT prefer that their riders are pretty uniform (makes them look more organized, helps with idenification sometimes, and looks more up to date). Just like most trainer prefer that their students have matching tack trunks and coolers/scrims/trunk covers in the barn colors... the more matching everything is, the better it looks IMO.) My trainer hasn't said that I have to be matching, but I don't wanna stand out like a sour apple!!!

      That looks like an "elite" barn... little rediculous on the side charges if ya ask me! And $80/lesson??? Sheesh... If you can afford that, I would assume you would probablly want a GPA.

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      • #4
        Huntcliff is pretty pricey. I once applied for a position there..said as an assistant trainer. turns out it was to tack and untack the ponies for the kids...and not school ponies, but their own ponies. Basicly a groom for spoiled brats. If you cant tack up your own pony you dont need one.

        Im wondering if they have a deal withthe tack shop they listed...if they get their clients to purchase these helmets there. There are 2 other tack store next door to the one listed..and one right down the road...not to mention the State line tack about 5 minutes away.

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        • #5
          That really surprises me! Huntcliff has always been a place for younger kids and mostly beginners, I actually thought they had a big school horse program. They do almost all the local GHJA shows but don't really do the A circuit that much (at least they're not known as one of the big A circuit barns) so I wonder if they're trying to change their image? Strange...

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          • #6
            Unusual rule. The trainer there posts here as "luckyduck" - perhaps she will see this and explain.

            I'm surprised at the tack shop recommendation - 99% of the time I've received terrible service there, though they do have a good selection of coats and shirts.

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            • #7
              That hand book is outragouse! The prices are unbelievable! Your board depends on how tall your horse is...the stalls are the same size...i know they did some remodleing...but i dont think its work over $500! It is in the back end of a subdivision.

              You cant ride your horse without the trainers permission?

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              • #8
                I thought it was mostly kids with ponies and beginers as well. I dont want to pay $100 for a helmet my kids will grow out of in two months!

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                • #9
                  I also found it interesting that the monthly board rate is dictated by the height of your horse (pony, &lt;16.3, &gt;16.3). My horse eats half a can of pellets twice a day-- he's 16.3. I know many smaller horses who eat more than that, and most of those aren't even what I'd term "hard keepers".

                  How about setting board at one rate that will allow for the fact that some horses eat slightly more, others slightly less? Perhaps this is common practice in other parts of the country, but I thought it was pretty bizarre...

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                  • #10
                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Madison:

                    I'm surprised at the tack shop recommendation - 99% of the time I've received terrible service there, though they do have a good selection of coats and shirts.

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                    Not only are the people at the tack store incredibly rude and pretentious, they don't even sell GPAs or ATHs! I checked last week!

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                    • #11
                      Im with you Just my style!! No snotty rules to keep up with!!

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                      • #12
                        The one that got me is when they said that you can't ride your horse unsupervised without trainer's permission. Sorry, but my horse = my ride unless I request otherwise!!

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                          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nattie:
                          I don't like them either, but some people feel they are safer and look better b/c they are the IN thing now. Most BNT prefer that their riders are pretty uniform (makes them look more organized, helps with idenification sometimes, and looks more up to date). Just like most trainer prefer that their students have matching tack trunks and coolers/scrims/trunk covers in the barn colors... the more matching everything is, the better it looks IMO.) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                          Oh I agree I LOVE matching tack trunks, drapes, coolers, etc...BUUT requiring skunk helmets based on them being "in" would be like saying. You must go out and buy a GRAY hunt coat, with a blue shirt, and wear it on friday, and you will all look the same. Yes Hunters are about conformity but they are also about showing your own style, and fashion (at least for me). But saying trainers like something b/c it is "in" (Tailored Sportsmen) and requiring it b/c of "saftey" are two totally different things.

                          I agree that some of the prices are ridiculous, but if people are willing to pay them fine. However charging for a different sized horse is very silly.

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                          • #14
                            I think that luckyduck was trying to do a kind thing to post her handbook for us to read. She wasn't saying this was how to do things but to give others an idea of what a handbook covered. Unless I plan to board or take lessons there I don't believe that I should comment on their prices. I too questioned why a barn would say that the students had to have a paticular brand of hat rather than just a certified one and if this thread hadn't turned into an attack we might have gotten an interesting answer. With the tone of this thread, I certainly would not bother to give us an answer if I was luckyduck.

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                              #15
                              Actually Luckyduck didn't post the handbook one of her boarders did. And I don't see anywhere on here where anyone "attacked" anybody. Any time information is put on the internet unless it is password protected it should be considered public information. Lesson prices for everyone from local yokels to GM have been discussed here before, so I don't see how this is any different.

                              However back to topic, it still seems pretentious to demand all riders have Skunk helmets, and to say it is b/c of saftey, when other non-skunk helmets are also approved by the same safety association.

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                              • #16
                                The reason they say it is for your safety is because of the GPAs and ATH helmets have a high profile. If your head/helmet were to snap back on a normal helmet with the low profile, you could undergo serious damage, such as experiencing a seizure, paralysis, or even death of the impact was hard enough.
                                So when they say it is for your safety, THEY AREN"T KIDDING. I understand that it may seem like a stupid thing to look nice, but it isn't.

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                                • #17
                                  maybe this is a situation where they talk big but dont follow up their actions...ive known barns that want a certian lets call it"class" of customers post things like this...but they really dont follow through...and im not saying that this is the case its just a random thought...

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                                  • #18
                                    Given that I'm the one that posted the original message about our handbook, and given that I had an active role in developing that handbook, and given that my daughter is one of the rider's at that barn, I thought it would be appropriate for me to reply to all the posts here. First of all, the helmet requirement is a SAFETY issue, not a fashion issue. The number one priority of our trainers is the safety of the riders and horses at the barn. Yes, this barn is at the back of a neighborhood, but what an incredible opportunity for people who don't wish to drive 45 minutes or more in Atlanta traffic to be able to ride! Regarding the comment that ours must be an "elite" barn, LMAO here! We're anything BUT elite! We're a neighborhood barn that happens to have a few kids who like to show, very few who show on the A circuit. Having been at one of the ELITE barns in Atlanta before coming here, I can tell you that our lesson and board prices are extremely reasonable. I'm not sure when relocatedTXjumpr looked at our barn, but our kids tack and untack their own rides - that's a requirement. Also, our trainer recommends that particular tack store because both she and her riders have had excellent experiences there in terms of selection, price, and assistance (especially for newbies like me). For example, when I went to purchase a new helmet for my daughter (without my daughter being present - who knew?!?), the clerk tried on my daughter's old helmet, then tried on every single helmet in stock until she found one that fit essentially the same way, hoping that it would indeed fit my daughter - which it did! My experiences at the neighboring tack stores have not been anything close to that service-oriented. More in a separate post . . .

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                                    • #19
                                      Sorry to follow up to my own post, but it was getting lengthy!

                                      Someone posted something about not wanting to spend $100 on a helmet her kid was going to outgrow in a couple of months. My feeling is that my daughter's safety comes first! I'm already spending a freaking fortune on this sport - for sure, I'm willing to pay whatever it costs to protect my daughter's skull and brain! For parents who don't want to spend that kind of money, there are consignment shops nearby that carry used helmets (which are just fine by our trainer, btw). There are also older kids who pass down their equipment to the younger ones. And, for those of you who know our trainer, her own daughter has had many close calls in the ring, so safety is of the highest concern here!

                                      Ok, one more thing, regarding the boarding prices. Yes, they are based on the size of the horse because bigger horses require more food/hay/etc. than small ponies, right? Interestingly, none of the boarders have complained.

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                                      • #20
                                        Just have to weigh in here. First of all, if you don't like the rules or you don't want to spend the money - don't go there! When your kid plays organized sports of a different sort you are told what to buy and where to buy it - within certain parameters most times. As for the poster that doesn't think her child's head is worth $100, well that speaks for itself!

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