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Doping Takes Center Stage At USEF Convention

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  • Weatherford
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    If David O'Connor's horse, that had a severe skin allergy in Sidney, can get through it to win a Gold Medal WITHOUT DEX (they bathed it overnight with an oatmeal bath!!!!), then ANY horse who has skin allergies can get through a horse show (significantly less stressful) without Dex!

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  • searching12321
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    There are many times where a horse who is on antibiotics or who needs dex for an allergic reaction could be healthy to show.

    What about a horse who has a cut and is put on a seven day cycle of antibiotics? Original cut may not have ever caused him to be lame. Should he be out of competition for seven days because a vet was being cautious with a cut?

    What about the horse who has a spider bite or a reaction to the shavings and gets hives? Should they not be allowed to show if the dex took down the reaction and they are perfectly fine?

    We need some common sense. The antibiotics are not the reason we are having this discussion.

    Dex is a little bit of another story but there are reasons to give dex which do make sense for a horse to show on it.

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  • Salome
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    Where does she find the time?

    What in the world will a petition accomplish? She can't even get them to respond to her emails.

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  • Purepony
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    I wish COTH had a like button.... and a BS button. I'd have such fun with those

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  • vxf111
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    Originally posted by Janet View Post
    I support mandatory necropsies. But you can't "assume someone guilty until proven innocent." Not in the US.
    This isn't a criminal case in the judicial system. This is about a voluntary membership organization's right to exclude individuals from membership. Different standards entirely.

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  • Weatherford
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    How about banning the use of needles and syringes by anyone other than a licensed Veterinarian as well? I believe they aren't allowed in other countries...

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  • dags
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    An online quiz? A helpful log book, that has no official merit?

    Are you kidding me?

    No mention of increasing penalties or giving the current rules some incisors?

    I can't even...

    Ugh.

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  • DMK
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    Originally posted by Mayaty02 View Post
    Just a thought - you may not want to keep bringing yourself into these issues.... I think it might be time to lay low for a bit.
    Foot. Gun. Aim. Fire. It's a lifestyle.

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  • Janet
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    Originally posted by Perfect Pony
    This is such total and complete BS. A horse getting IV Antibiotics or DEX doesn't need to be at a horse show, let alone showing within 12 hours of the injection. Basically this statement proves they really don't give a crap.
    Not so sure about that. I have had a horse that was diagnosed with Lyme, and was being treated with twice daily IV Tetracycline. But she had very few symptoms, and she was certainly healthy enough to compete at a Horse Show.

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  • Janet
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    Originally posted by Renn/aissance View Post
    Yeah,... and then let's have the result of the necropsy available to the USEF, please.

    In order to make sure the results are accessible to the USEF, would the USEF be responsible for the costs? Would the money come out of their existing funds or would it require additional fund-raising from the membership?
    That is how it is done in Eventing. IIRC, USEA pays for the necrospy with money from the "Heert Study" funds.

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  • Renn/aissance
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    Originally posted by hunterrider23 View Post
    A quiz over the rule book? Really?
    These sort of trainers KNOW the rules, they just choose to ignore them.
    “We just want them to go the rules, look at them and figure out how to access the rules,” said Allen.
    I strongly doubt that the individuals in question are just so confused about how to access a rule book. For those who cannot read a book, there is a quick link to the D&M rules in USHJA's At The Gate app.

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  • Janet
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    Originally posted by SMF11 View Post
    . I think automatic suspension of any trainer whose equine dies or collapses until it is proven that the trainer was innocent would be good (this would allow for the highly unlikely event where a horse had a health problem not due to drugs).
    I don't think that horses dying of other causes is "highly unlikely" at all. The article refers to the " eventing crisis in 2008 when horses and riders were dying in unusually high numbers.". That was NOT drug related. And there have been plenty of heart aneurisms in other disciplines too.

    I support mandatory necropsies. But you can't "assume someone guilty until proven innocent." Not in the US.

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  • Limerick
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    Originally posted by amberhill View Post
    An online petition has been created at Change.org to demand the USEF remove the Temporary Suspension Rule GR609 which is in direct conflict to USOC NGB Rules and Regulations and the Ted Stevens Act.

    https://www.change.org/petitions/uni...are_after_sign

    Please support this cause and show the USEF that members demand CHANGE and our rights to Due Process.

    Oh Sue Sue, I would love to sign your petition.......said no one ever.

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  • hunterrider23
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    A quiz over the rule book? Really?
    These sort of trainers KNOW the rules, they just choose to ignore them.

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  • Renn/aissance
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    Originally posted by gumshoe View Post
    "While the committee members agreed in principle, they suggested a few exceptions such as IV antibiotics and dexamethasone. The final version of a rule-change proposal will most likely allow those drugs to be administered intravenously by a veterinarian less than 12 hours before a class, although there was a fair amount of discussion on how to prevent abuse of dexamethasone along the way.

    There is also a plan underway to make necropsies mandatory for all horses that die at USEF shows in competition or under suspicious circumstances."
    Yeah, and then let's have the result of the necropsy available to the USEF, please.

    If the horse is insured and it drops dead, it's getting a necropsy anyway. The key is not doing the necropsy, it's making sure the results are available to the NGB. I'm not a lawyer, nor do I play one on Youtube. In order to make sure the results are accessible to the USEF, would the USEF be responsible for the costs? Would the money come out of their existing funds or would it require additional fund-raising from the membership?

    The final version of a rule-change proposal will most likely allow those drugs to be administered intravenously by a veterinarian less than 12 hours before a class, although there was a fair amount of discussion on how to prevent abuse of dexamethasone along the way.
    Because a horse who required IV antibiotics or IV dex 12 hours before a class is totally fit to horse-show. Come on.

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  • Long Spot
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    Mmmmmhmmmm.

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  • amberhill
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    There is more than people think going on behind the scenes and they have a right to know the full story. Besides, that is not my style. Actually, I have been silent for way too long. Anyone who really knows me, knows I stand up and do not back down when I have been wronged.

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  • Mayaty02
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    Originally posted by amberhill View Post
    In light of the recent article this morning I am releasing the following documents:

    Letter to the Board of Directors dated January 10, 2013 with attachments:
    http://amberhillponies.com/Amber_Hil...Directors.html

    Letter to incoming president Ms. Tauber dated January 13, 2013 asking for a meeting that has been denied for 8 months:
    http://amberhillponies.com/Amber_Hil...a_Meeting.html

    While I agree that their are pressing drug issues that the USEF has blatantly failed to control in our industry and while I feel that some of the suggestions were a good starting point, the use of my name and my beloved ponies death in such discussions and the false statement that I did not cooperate fully with the USEF MUST be corrected as they are false and defamatory.

    What everyone does not know, is that I sent a letter to the New York Times Sports Department myself, well before Mr Bogdanich was involved but, of course, he failed to note this in his article, among other facts he was aware of. As it stands, the New York Times article, misreports what transpired and my attorneys warned Mr. Bogdanich against relying on unreliable sources for information.

    http://amberhillponies.com/Amber_Hil...er_to_NYT.html

    Just a thought - you may not want to keep bringing yourself into these issues.... I think it might be time to lay low for a bit.

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  • amberhill
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    An online petition has been created at Change.org to demand the USEF remove the Temporary Suspension Rule GR609 which is in direct conflict to USOC NGB Rules and Regulations and the Ted Stevens Act.

    https://www.change.org/petitions/uni...are_after_sign

    Please support this cause and show the USEF that members demand CHANGE and our rights to Due Process.

    Leave a comment:


  • amberhill
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    In light of the recent article this morning I am releasing the following documents:

    Letter to the Board of Directors dated January 10, 2013 with attachments:
    http://amberhillponies.com/Amber_Hil...Directors.html

    Letter to incoming president Ms. Tauber dated January 13, 2013 asking for a meeting that has been denied for 8 months:
    http://amberhillponies.com/Amber_Hil...a_Meeting.html

    While I agree that their are pressing drug issues that the USEF has blatantly failed to control in our industry and while I feel that some of the suggestions were a good starting point, the use of my name and my beloved ponies death in such discussions and the false statement that I did not cooperate fully with the USEF MUST be corrected as they are false and defamatory.

    What everyone does not know, is that I sent a letter to the New York Times Sports Department myself, well before Mr Bogdanich was involved but, of course, he failed to note this in his article, among other facts he was aware of. As it stands, the New York Times article, misreports what transpired and my attorneys warned Mr. Bogdanich against relying on unreliable sources for information.

    http://amberhillponies.com/Amber_Hil...er_to_NYT.html

    Leave a comment:

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