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  • #21
    Originally posted by doublesstable View Post
    All I could find on the no black stirrup rule was a DRAFT...

    http://www.usef.org/documents/ruleChanges/174-12.pdf
    EQ110.4 is effective 12-1-2013 for the Equitation classes.

    http://prc.usef.org/reports/USEFSear...EQ&compyear=12
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    • #22
      [Letter I wrote to USHJA] For some reason this is just bugging me. I know it's probably too late but worth a try.........


      Well it is too late... off to find material to "cover" my black stirrups. LOL
      Last edited by doublesstable; Feb. 14, 2013, 02:43 PM.
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      • #23
        Originally posted by doublesstable View Post
        I have concerns about this revision due to the fact I use Royal Rider stirrups that are black for pain issues not to hide anything. They are shock absorbing and help me with the knee pain and shin splints I have developed over the years of riding in regular metal fillis irons. I know I am not alone in this case.
        It has been mentioned numerous times already, but you seem to be missing the point of the rule. It is the COLOR that the judges don't like. There is no problem with jointed stirrups, or Royal Rider stirrups, or anything else. It is the fact that they are BLACK.

        USEF is not trying to hurt your knees.

        As many people have already said, all you have to do it change the COLOR of your stirrups. No one even has to buy new expensive stirrups. Just paint them, or neatly wrap them in tape.

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        • #24
          I spent last weekend at a show as an announcer sitting right next to the judge so I got to observe quite a bit. Honestly, there were plenty of times when I saw riders with the black stirrups (didn't matter what brand, but the color) & it was hard to tell if they had their stirrup or not. This was with a variety of colored horses.

          I do understand now why the rule was proposed after that experience cause prior to that I too would have been questioning if it really is that hard to tell if a rider is with or without their iron.
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          • #25
            Originally posted by AmmyByNature View Post
            It has been mentioned numerous times already, but you seem to be missing the point of the rule. It is the COLOR that the judges don't like. There is no problem with jointed stirrups, or Royal Rider stirrups, or anything else. It is the fact that they are BLACK.

            USEF is not trying to hurt your knees.

            As many people have already said, all you have to do it change the COLOR of your stirrups. No one even has to buy new expensive stirrups. Just paint them, or neatly wrap them in tape.
            I clearly understand that... it's still a stupid rule.

            I didn't say anyone is hurting my knees... but the reality is the RR that are made with Dupont plastic with shock absorbing material ARE BLACK.

            I did plead with RR to make a lighter color and not black and they are looking it to it.

            Also, if you don't think this is a goofy rule - what would you think if they made you wear white gloves? I would rather see a riders hands vs their feet. IMHO.

            To me it's just about so many petty rules... I do get the color issue and will do what I have to to accommodate my use of my RR...... like a sleeve or paint....
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            • #26
              Originally posted by Giddy-up View Post
              EQ110.4 is effective 12-1-2013 for the Equitation classes.

              http://prc.usef.org/reports/USEFSear...EQ&compyear=12
              Thanks so much... I could not find that......

              Well okay then elimination it is. I read where they were considering leaving it to the judges discretion and not elimination... Oh well.....
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              • #27
                Originally posted by doublesstable View Post
                I clearly understand that... it's still a stupid rule.

                [snip]

                Also, if you don't think this is a goofy rule - what would you think if they made you wear white gloves? I would rather see a riders hands vs their feet. IMHO.
                Judges don't seem to think it's a stupid rule, since they're the ones who asked for it.

                When you are a judge you can decide that a rider's hands are more important than their feet. Black stirrups are a new thing -- a thing that makes it harder for judges. Black gloves are not a new thing, and if judges started to complain they could put in for a rule change about that.

                In fact, if it bothers you, you're welcome to submit a rule change about white gloves in the eq. They sure would get disgusting pretty fast, though. Wouldn't stay white for long.

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by AmmyByNature View Post
                  Judges don't seem to think it's a stupid rule, since they're the ones who asked for it.

                  When you are a judge you can decide that a rider's hands are more important than their feet. Black stirrups are a new thing -- a thing that makes it harder for judges. Black gloves are not a new thing, and if judges started to complain they could put in for a rule change about that.

                  In fact, if it bothers you, you're welcome to submit a rule change about white gloves in the eq. They sure would get disgusting pretty fast, though. Wouldn't stay white for long.

                  I like as much dark as I can due to dirt LOL...

                  But upper level Dressage riders wear white gloves and don't seem to have an issue. And to be clear, I would NOT support white gloves in the EQ. Just making a point that I think no black stirrups is not a rule I would support but I am not on the committee that regulates the USEF rules.

                  I have junior judged many times so I understand the dynamics. And it is my opinion that the hands are more important and can decide that regardless if I am a judge or not.

                  And I'd would think the support for this rule change was not unanimous among judges...
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                  • #29
                    It isn't a stupid rule. Think about it . . . black boots, black irons, dark bay horse. How can a judge see that from across the arena? The stupid part is that nobody thought to insert the words "or magnetic" between "black" and "stirrups" in the rule. They should be illegal in the eq. divisions. It's cheating.

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by JohnGalt View Post
                      It isn't a stupid rule. Think about it . . . black boots, black irons, dark bay horse. How can a judge see that from across the arena? The stupid part is that nobody thought to insert the words "or magnetic" between "black" and "stirrups" in the rule. They should be illegal in the eq. divisions. It's cheating.

                      Think about it too - black gloves, dark reins, dark bay horse... same thing and your not saying that's a problem.

                      If someone drops a stirrup and you don't see it well good on them...
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                      • #31
                        Originally posted by Goldie locks View Post
                        Think about it too - black gloves, dark reins, dark bay horse... same thing and your not saying that's a problem.

                        If someone drops a stirrup and you don't see it well good on them...
                        I'm simply saying that I understand the reasoning behind the rule. My real gripe is that they haven't banned magnetic stirrups.

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                        • #32
                          Originally posted by JohnGalt View Post
                          I'm simply saying that I understand the reasoning behind the rule. My real gripe is that they haven't banned magnetic stirrups.
                          Though I agree that the magnetic stirrups are not appropriate for the equitation, I can't think of how USEF would determine one is using them. Take a look at the OnTyte system... does it look any different? http://www.doversaddlery.com/ontyte-...on/p/X1-07083/

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                          • #33
                            Originally posted by iEquitate View Post
                            I can't think of how USEF would determine one is using them.
                            It would take about five seconds for a steward at the entry gate to check. All you need is a little bar of steel. Ask rider to remove foot from stirrup and drop metallic object on stirrup pad. If it stays, well I guess you found a magnetic stirrup.

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                            • #34
                              Maybe the rule should be changed to clarify that everyone can use black stirrups but only if they wear white boots?

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                              • #35
                                So black is not allowed, but you could use really dark navy?? Just kidding. But this is reminding me of the FEI rule a few years back that attempted to define allowable coat colors based on some (numerical?) color system. There were jokes about using apps to measure the colors.
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                                • #36
                                  Originally posted by Peggy View Post
                                  So black is not allowed, but you could use really dark navy?? Just kidding. But this is reminding me of the FEI rule a few years back that attempted to define allowable coat colors based on some (numerical?) color system. There were jokes about using apps to measure the colors.
                                  That's true.. you could say they are navy... LOL

                                  The rule changes doesn't go in to effect until December of 2013 so Royal Riders has some time to make non black stirrups

                                  I was told in an email from the USEF (they did respond the same day - I was very impressed) that since the main manufacturer of black composite stirrups makes them in silver that they felt there was no reason not to pass the rule. I would assume they meant Royal Riders. I did search for silver Royal Riders and cannot find any. I did email Royal Riders asking about silver ones and I have not got a response.

                                  So we have time.... My old bod needs the shock absorption.
                                  Last edited by doublesstable; Feb. 16, 2013, 02:32 PM.
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                                  • #37
                                    Hasn't USEF said in the meetings that it is ok to spray paint them silver? No one has to go out and buy new stirrups.

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                                    • #38
                                      I don't know if this "shimmer" would be too much "shimmer", but it says it is fully chip resistant after 7 days. http://www.krylon.ca/ca/eng/products...allic_shimmer/

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                                      • #39
                                        So, I am guessing this also includes the herm sprenger stirrups with only the black rubber on the sides?

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                                        • #40
                                          Originally posted by HorseLuvr View Post
                                          So, I am guessing this also includes the herm sprenger stirrups with only the black rubber on the sides?
                                          I would write USEF an email and ask. I think they are referring to the all black ones but they don't have a list or description of what exactly they are prohibiting so they are going to get hit with some questions for sure.
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