• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.



Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Stall injury kills sale - update post 43

  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #21
    Many, if not most, come back fully with proper rehab. However, I've never seen a non weight bearing suspensory injury. You're going to need to find out the actual extent of the damage.


    • Original Poster

      He got his little ice cast on yesterday and is now bearing full weight. I went to check on him last night and he gave me the cold shoulder. Normally he's very snuggly and affectionate, so i'm writing it off to pain, but it still irritated me that he just cost me thousands of dollars and he can't even give me a hug.

      I checked every inch of his stall and couldn't find any sign of struggle, no marks on the wall, no bent bars, no ripped mats - nothing. It's like a ghost tried to rip his leg off.

      For some reason this horse is supposed to stay with me. I'm going to try to turn this around in my head that he's like Snowman and instead of jumping high fences to find his way back to me all the time, he tries to kill himself. Start thinking of catchy titles for the book. Maybe something like The Vet Bill Champion or ‘Til Death do Us Part: A Horse Story.


      • #23
        I used to joke about giving my horse the show name "Early Retirement"...


        • #24
          I have a success story!

          There was a little mare I just LOVED at a barn where I was working. Her owner thought she'd be worth big money as a jumper and sent her to another barn to get changes installed and be sold for big money in a bigger market.

          While at training barn, she injured her suspensory. Not sure what agreement training barn/owner had but when DH and I picked up the mare MONTHS later (we were paid to bring her home), she'd just been standing in a muddy field for god knows how long. She was sound. Owner started putting her in lessons/back to work and she became sore. DH and I bought her for a song. I was out of town when the transaction between DH and Owner took place and so the little mare had a week of rest.

          She was never lame again. She's now in her late teens, a good friend of mine has her and she's STILL sound as a pound. She jumped 3'3" easily and could have gone higher (she was 14.1).

          Do I think she was treated right? I have no idea. Do I know how it healed? No idea, never did a repeat ultrasound. We were prepared to just have a pasture puff if she went sore again but she never did. I did condition her back very very carefully, though.... So there is hope. :-)


          • #25
            OP - I can relate! I had a wonderful mare for sale with a buyer lined up to pay, and the next day she had a freak accident in the pasture. Guess she is meant to spend the rest of her time with us. She's, at the very least, a gorgeous pasture puff.

            Kudos to you for taking things in stride and giving your horse a great home. Who knows, maybe things will turn around quicker than you think.
            Lorelei Farm - Welsh and Riding Ponies - Visit us on Facebook!
            Breeding show quality Welsh Ponies for hunters, dressage and driving!


            • #26
              Yes, they can. My last horse had a suspensory injury years before I had him. He's now 19 and still going strong.
              A proud friend of bar.ka.


              • #27
                Finding a good physical therapist type may be really useful as well. They now have a program to be board certified in that discipline for vets so maybe checking out their website http://vsmr.org/board.html can give you some contact points for vets that specialize in rehabilitation of these injuries.


                • #28
                  What did the ultrasound show exactly. Add me to the list of those who have never heard of a horse being three legged lame from a suspensory for even a short period of time.
                  McDowell Racing Stables

                  Home Away From Home


                  • #29
                    Originally posted by Laurierace View Post
                    What did the ultrasound show exactly. Add me to the list of those who have never heard of a horse being three legged lame from a suspensory for even a short period of time.
                    I agree with this, and am curious as to how you got your vet out so fast and to make such a swift diagnosis, when acute lameness like that usually indicates an abscess or something.
                    A helmet saved my life.

                    2017 goal: learn to ride like TheHorseProblem, er, a barn rat!


                    • #30
                      Been there, done that. Both horses were fine, in time. One did the PRP etc route, the other was stall rested and then tossed outdoors for a year. Good luck! Try to find a barn that can medicate, wrap, and later, turn out for you so that you can still have a life. If any money remains, lease or buy a project so that you don't rush the injured one and so that you can stay in the tack.


                      • #31
                        My daughters horse injured his suspensory too, our vet chose to be alittle more aggressive and blistered his leg. THen I put him in our run in for the winter by march he was ready to go. He ultrasound clean too. But his big jumping days were over he does 2'6 now. It sucks that you have to go thru this especially trying to sell the horse. Good Luck!
                        Willing to Please - Hero 5/10/87-7/14/09 My Life will never be the same
                        Right horse at the right time **Nel**
                        My Diamond Girl


                        • Original Poster

                          Originally posted by Bristol Bay View Post
                          I agree with this, and am curious as to how you got your vet out so fast and to make such a swift diagnosis, when acute lameness like that usually indicates an abscess or something.
                          When the girl called and told me he was limping and wouldn't put full weight down that's what I thought too. The other worker showed up and took a peek at it and said that she felt some heat, so I told her to cold hose it just in case. Apparently after she cold hosed it, it started to swell more and that's when I called the vet. They told us to take his temp in case it was cellulitis but it was normal. I guess when they were cold hosing was when he bore weight on it. I didn't get to leave work to go lend a hand so I had to do this all over the phone. The vet was out by early afternoon and surmised it was suspensory after palpating and we have a follow up with ultra sound in two weeks. In the meantime he is confined to his stall.


                          • #33
                            I have no advice but OP, I am SO sorry this happened to you. Best wishes for a great recovery and many drinks along the way


                            • #34
                              It may be too early right now, but have you considered moving him to a less expensive barn while he recovers? When my guy was injured, and my friend's horse who was a high 6 figure horse got his suspensory injured, we moved them to "retirement" type barns. They weren't as fancy as the barns we usually board at, but were safe and functional. Plus, the costs were about 1/4 of what we were paying!


                              • #35
                                So far full recovery, we bought a 15 year old knowing he had suspensory issue and even went through stem cell repair (i honestly dont know correct terms). When bought him he was doing barely 3 foot college riding and it was about 6 years since surgery. (Was a 1.45 horse) Daughter was convinced there was something special about this guy and expected to do the Adults and then some. Well by the end of the summer and in much better shape she was showing in the 1.25 doing a few 1.30's!! At big shows!! She swears by the Back on Track run downs and wraps, and also the sheet. You would never know he was 15!!


                                • #36
                                  If you don't have an ultrasound, you don't have a diagnosis.
                                  McDowell Racing Stables

                                  Home Away From Home


                                  • #37
                                    What Laurierace said. When my horse pulled his suspensory and it actually started to tear away from the bone, he still wasn't "three legged" lame. He was lame on it, for sure, even at the walk. He was non-weightbearing for about two seconds right after it happened (he held it up immediately when it happened), but after that walked off, 4/5 lame, but weight bearing nonetheless.


                                    • #38
                                      Originally posted by Laurierace View Post
                                      If you don't have an ultrasound, you don't have a diagnosis.

                                      Agreed. It could be a lot of things...including a slight fracture. And many of them (including a slight fracture) could heal just fine with time. Actually fractures are easier in my opinion to re-hab than soft tissue. But regardless....he's certainly done something to him self that hurts. At this time, no point in being too doom and gloom (easier said than done I know) until you have a certain diagnosis. It isn't unusual either to have to wait a little bit for the swelling to go down before you can taking the xrays and ultrasound. Good luck...and fingers crossed it is something that heals well.
                                      ** Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip. ~Winston Churchill? **


                                      • #39
                                        Originally posted by Laurierace View Post
                                        If you don't have an ultrasound, you don't have a diagnosis.
                                        Yeah. Bingo. Just curious, why wait for the ultrasound??? Wouldn't it be better to know instead of assume? Especially if the vet palpated and felt something? If it is a suspensory, it's not going to go away in 2 weeks but you need to know just how bad it is NOW.

                                        Strongly suggest you look for something besides the show barn for a 1 year rehab. Lay up facilities can do a better job anyway if you board out and can't come twice a day 7 days a week for months. They also usually do a better job then show barns because they have the staff and the time for layups Usually they have turnout too and that is vital in recovery and rehab. Cost you half what the show barn does, tops. Keep in mind some show barns will ask you to leave if the horse is on extended layup, generating no revenue for them and somebody else wants to come in with an active show horse.
                                        When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

                                        The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.


                                        • #40
                                          Usually you have to wait for some of the initial swelling to subside to get an accurate ultrasound. But, usually they aren't all that lame after the immediate injury.