• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.



Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

stubben saddles

  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • stubben saddles

    anyone ride in a stubben siegfried? any comments about stubben saddles in general?

    need a new saddle!

  • #2
    I have a friend that absolutely despises hers, but I'll let others chime in because I know a lot of people on here like them. However my friend and I have even plotted to run over hers with the golf cart at horse shows because she hates it so much.


    • #3
      I love my Stubben. Others HATE theirs. You will need to make up your own mind on them.

      Also: Mine are all vintage & it really makes a difference to me. [But you may still HATE them.]
      Hidden Echo Farm, Carlisle, PA -- home of JC palomino sire Canadian Kid (1990 - 2013) & AQHA sire Lark's Favorite, son of Rugged Lark.


      • #4
        I ride in a Siegfried. I know a lot of people don't like them. They're out of fashion. I love mine, though. It has saved my bacon numerous times.
        I heard a neigh. Oh, such a brisk and melodious neigh as that was! My very heart leaped with delight at the sound. --Nathaniel Hawthorne


        • #5
          The new models with custom sizing are great. I am hoping to get one next year. I think customizing the fit is a great idea and for my 5 year old OTTB it will really help him. The trainer that rides my guy has ordered her saddle and the rep came out to make sure the size was right.

          Huge issue for me since I had one trainer ride my guy and then he was lame for 8 weeks. Had a vet come out to say it was saddle fit issues and back pain. I think Stubben did well with revamping their saddles and offering semi-custom options.


          • #6
            The thing with the Siegfrieds is that they're meant to be ridden with a pretty short leg. They're not really in fashion. A lot of people insist they put them in a chair seat. They're a saddle that either works for you and you love it or you will hate it. They're not terribly "cushy" saddles. I'm not a fan of a lot of stuff between me and the horse, so I love that about them. Others HATE it. I find my rock hard Siegfried comfortable enough to do endurance rides in.

            I LOVE my Stubbens. I have 3.5 (Roxane, Aramis, Wotan, and selling my Siegfried II to my best friend) of them. You will have to pry the other three from my cold, dead hands. I'm ONLY selling the Siegfried because I also sold her the gelding that I bought the saddle for and my Arab isn't a huge fan of it (short tree points on the one I have don't fit him right, but the QH likes it). I bought all of them very used, but you'd never know it. I'd go show in any one of them tomorrow.

            If you want to try one, pull one off eBay. Ride in it for a few weeks. If you don't like it, throw it back up there. You'll only be out shipping it one way. They're pretty easy to resell.


            • #7
              People seem to either love them or hate them. Personally I love them. My first Siegfried was an older (made in Germany) model. It is probably as old as I am. I need to send it out to have some work done (billets and reflocking) so I bought a second, newer Siegfried as well. (Made in Switzerland and about 20 years old but looks like new.) Now, I don't show, and I identify more as an eventer. The Stubbens seem to be less popular in H/J. But I wouldn't trade mine for anything.


              • #8
                I ride in a Siegried CS with an extra forward flap and I love it. So does everyone who's ridden in it, even some confirmed Stubben haters. It was the only thing within my budget that fit me and my horse--we're both tricky, him with his long wither and big shoulder and me with my long legs and big butt . The ones with the Biomex seat are pretty comfortable.

                They are really durable.
                I love my Econo-Nag!


                • Original Poster

                  ive been riding in a borrowed stubben - it is over 40 yrs old! it came with the horse i am leasing. i would love to buy it cause it fits me so well.

                  why do people hate them?

                  i hate saddle shopping!


                  • #10
                    I've had two Stubben saddles and I LOVE mine. I started with a Stubben Artus for my older TB and it was really comfortable. I recently, about Feb 2012, got a new Stubben Roxane for my younger OTTB and it has been great. My boy has shark fin withers so they were able to have the saddle fit him perfectly with plenty of room and clearance for his withers. I am also a jumper so it has a bit of a deeper seat than most which is perfect for me and I hope to dab in eventing again as well.

                    My Artus is nearing its 15 years old and looks great and holding up great. My Roxane looks good as new. I definitely recommend them but also know that people either love them and stick with them or hate them and never touch them.

                    My first Stubben I bought through Dover and my second one I actually worked with Stubben NA directly and they came out to do a fitting and let me try all their saddles. They kept in contact with me the entire 6-8 week time it took to build my saddle. Great customer service and they are definitely about quality as well. I hated saddle shopping, but it was easier for me as I knew what brand I wanted I just needed help with which product would work best for me and my horse. They definitely made the shopping painless and actually more exciting!!!

                    Good luck!
                    Last edited by cswoodlandfairy; Nov. 14, 2012, 09:21 AM. Reason: adding info
                    Calm & Collected, 13, OTTB
                    Forrest Gump (Catasauqua) , 17, OTTB
                    Little Bit Indian, 29, TB
                    Owner of Spur of the Moment, Custom made spur straps! Find us on Facebook


                    • #11
                      I have a Stubben Siegfried VSD DL. It fits both my horse and I. It does nothing to correct my natural chair seat, but it rides fine. When I was saddle shopping, I test rode one on a recommendation and it was by far the best option for us. The quality is very good, and I'm happy with my choice.


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Bastile View Post
                        ive been riding in a borrowed stubben - it is over 40 yrs old! it came with the horse i am leasing. i would love to buy it cause it fits me so well.

                        why do people hate them?

                        i hate saddle shopping!
                        People say Stubbens put the rider in a chair seat. Others complain that they are rock-hard to sit in.

                        I think these are legitimate complaints about the old Siegfried VSS all-purpose saddles, but not the others.

                        I find mine very comfortable. The hard seat doesn't bother me, and the security is excellent. This is very important to me as I ride a lot of green, unpredictable horses. The quality of Stubbens does have a deservedly high reputation. I bought mine used in 1979, and I replaced the billets once, two years ago. It's still going strong.

                        Stubbens aren't trendy, and I think that's the main reason people don't like them. Part of the problem, IMO, is that Stubben has been victimized by the very success of their best-known model, the Siegfried VSS, which is what everyone I knew in Pony Club and eventing rode in back in the 70s. The Siegfried VSS is a solid, deep-seated all-purpose saddle with pencil knee rolls and big thigh blocks. That's not what people ride in today in the hunter and equitation rings. People today want a close-contact saddle with a lot of padding in the seat, with ultra-soft leather, and (often) a fancy French name.

                        Stubben has made a real effort with its newer models to accommodate what today's riders want, and their close-contact and jumping models are beautiful, IMO. They also make a large variety of dressage, children's, and all-purpose models, and they ofter custom fittings, too. Unfortunately, many won't consider Stubben.
                        I heard a neigh. Oh, such a brisk and melodious neigh as that was! My very heart leaped with delight at the sound. --Nathaniel Hawthorne


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Bastile View Post
                          ive been riding in a borrowed stubben - it is over 40 yrs old! it came with the horse i am leasing. i would love to buy it cause it fits me so well.
                          If you look around, you can probably find one just like it in the range of $250 - 500. There are tons of the older Stubbens still around in decent shape.


                          • #14
                            Count me among those that love the older Stubben Siegfrieds. Train in one at my lesson barn. Trainer has also had me try her Pessoa, but I'm partial to the Stubben Siegfried. The one I ride in there is German made and has the silver stirrup bar, which makes it early to mid 60's. When I went looking to buy a saddle I wanted to get one as close to that one as I could, and actually found a mid 70's to mid 80's (based on the stirrup bar colour and engraved front nail head) that had never been used (still had the tags on it). The mother of the woman I bought it from had bought it but died before she ever used it. Her daughter kept it as a keepsake, but recently realized that her mother would rather have it used than sitting in her living room, and she only rides Western. I happened on the listing and scooped it up. I have never been happier with a purchase! Mostly trail riding with the 2 horses I'm using it on and the seat is so secure - have stayed up through even the major shies on the trail (like when a pileated woodpecker flew up from a stump right in front of us - those suckers are BIG!)

                            I'm not the biggest fan of the looks of the newer Stubbens so I'm so glad I was able to find a basically new older style one. Could care less if it's "out of fashion" because I am so comfortable in it.
                            At its finest, rider and horse are joined not by tack, but by trust. Each is totally reliant upon the other. Each is the selfless guardian of the other's very well-being.
                            (Author Unknown)


                            • #15
                              Depends on what you want to do. If I was going to be riding rough stock, greenies or hacking out alot? I'd get my butt in one in a heartbeat.

                              BUT if you want to show Hunters or Eq or even Jumpers to a certain extent? Maybe not. They do put you in somewhat of a chair seat and a little behind the motion-that is a great spot to be in with any kind of unpredictable situation or if you are spending hours at a time in the saddle.

                              Not so good for showing off a good jump, sitting light or going forward to the timers. They also do put you where a shorter stirrup length is much more comportable and that's not what they want to see in the Eq, particularly on the flat.

                              But they are durable, comfortable and there are tons of them available since they have been around for so many decades. It is a nice choice for an all purpose kind of saddle.
                              When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

                              The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.


                              • #16
                                I had a newer stubben siegfried and LOVE LOVE LOVE it. I so regret selling it, but then if I hadn't I wouldn't have been able to afford a trip where I met one of my closest friends, so I guess everything happens for a reason. It retained nearly all its retail value after about 10 years of ownership btw.

                                I'm going to save up for either a lightly used or new one...I personally love the thicker knee blocks and harder seat, which I know some people don't like.

                                I've tried a friends Roxanne, which I also loved!
                                "Choose to chance the rapids, and dare to dance the tides" - Garth Brooks
                                "With your permission, dear, I'll take my fences one at a time" - Maggie Smith, Downton Abbey


                                • #17
                                  I have an older Siegfried that I absolutely adore. Yep, the seat isn't 'cushy', but I don't need more padding for my butt anyway.

                                  It fits my TB as if it was made for him, plus I'm the size of an Oompa Loompa, so it works all the way around!

                                  I'd love to find a German made one in my size, but I'm pretty happy with my vintage Swiss model. Don't care if it's considered fashionable or not, it's a gorgeous, well made piece of art.
                                  Homeopathy claims water can cure you since it once held medicine. That's like saying you can get sustenance from an empty plate because it once held food.


                                  • #18
                                    I just sold mine, it was 42 years old, although used for less than 10 years, and it was in amazing condition, they are great saddles. I sold mine for $500 and it cost around $150 or $250 back in 1969. I have to admit, once I bought my cushy CWD I never rode in it again, but there is no beating their durability, they are an excellent quality product, just not in fashion.


                                    • #19
                                      Stubben's fit my narrow tb very well. The older ones definitely have a hard seat! I have a 10-15 yo Excalibur dressage saddle, and for schooling I have to use a seat saver. I tried the Roxane S jump saddle and really liked it, but ended up getting an Excalibur jump saddle (with the biomex seat). I would think one of their newer CC models would be fine for hunters/eq.


                                      • #20
                                        I still have my Stubben that I bought in 1966. A Stubben Imperator, and I still love that saddle. It is comfortable and really durable! After 46 years, I still adore that saddle. I still have a Steinkraus Hermes and also an Original PJ, but nothing beats my Stubben for a nice trail ride, or working on a young horse.
                                        Proud of my Hunter Breeding Princesses
                                        "Grief is the price we all pay for love," Gretchen Jackson (1/29/07) In Memory of Barbaro