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One more The Economy and Horses thread ... affecting big time shows

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  • #41
    The economy is definitely doing a number on the horse world. Shows that are dependent on big horse money sponsorship aren't getting what they need to make ends meet so they are going to up the cost of competing in their shows as well cut corners to make their profits. Many areas are also losing their horse venues to development and general economic pressure that puts horse folk out of business. Even the old money behind the USEF/USET marriage has been dwindling over the last ten years which is why the USEF is beating their heads trying to figure out how to get the membership to support their plans in the future since they will have to work for the money.
    Thus do we growl that our big toes have, at this moment, been thrown up from below!


    • #42
      Have we ever had a period since the depression when so many white collar jobs were at risk?
      How old are you?? During the Democrats last big run in Congress & the White House when Jimmy Carter was president, unemployment was well over 8% and mortgage rates were at 15% and higher. Inflation was terrible, people were barely able to cover their interest expense much less pay off balances. It was horrible.

      Obama made yet another big faux pas when he talked about the worst stock market drop since the depression - there has been quite a few worse ones since then including the one in the 80's. So he is either very ignorant or he is downright lying. But again, he is the one who said he visited FIFTY-SEVEN states in the United States and had a couple more to go.

      Best thing to do is email or call your democratic politicians and tell them you don't appreciate them ruining your lives so they can try and garner a few extra votes. Don't know if it will do any good, especially since the guys who ran Freddie Mac & Fannie Mae into the ground are also the guys who are running Obama's campaign! Wag the dog, baby, wag the dog.


      • #43
        Originally posted by drawreins View Post
        Those that have the means to support this luxury will not be affected by the economy. The middle class will be affected. Clients are picking and choosing which shows to attend and which to not. Instead of six weeks of Florida, my clients can only afford three weeks. Those clients with multiple horses are picking and choosing which horses to take to certain shows.

        So with the upper class be affected? Absolutely not. The middle class? Absolutely.
        Maybe I read this wrong but what middle class income can afford "weeks" in Florida? Yikes..


        • #44
          same old same old - everyone plays nice in the sandbox until some a$$hole shows up, eh, tri? Just couldn't control yourself, you just had to set an otherwise productive topic of conversation on a path you know will send it spiraling downward and get it locked, eh?

          Give yourself a big old pat on the back, sweetie, you deserve it.
          Your crazy is showing. You might want to tuck that back in.


          • #45
            Oh, gee...for some odd reason I was thinking the Republicans are the ones currently in office and "leading" this country.
            Doin' a damn fine job, aren't they?


            • #46
              No, actually the DEMOCRATS control Congress. Didn't you know?


              • #47
                otherwise productive topic of conversation on a path
                Typical of people like you, resorting to name calling instead of having an intelligent conversation.

                And, tell me what exactly is productive about this thread?


                • #48
                  Originally posted by tri View Post
                  No, actually the DEMOCRATS control Congress. Didn't you know?
                  You are so right! Everyone blames the Republicans when it's the Liberal Dems who are spending money like water on pork!

                  I think the tax payers shouldn't have bailed out Freddie and Fannie but to take all the assets those scum CEO's have away and put it back into the company!
                  "Common sense is so rare nowadays, it should be classified as a super power."-Craig Bear Laubscher


                  • #49
                    Bearhunter-good point. We are demographically labeled DINKS. We make decent money but yea, I can't afford weeks in FL. The shipping alone..eek! I'd rather take that money and do more shows in my Zone.


                    • #50
                      Originally posted by tri View Post
                      No, actually the DEMOCRATS control Congress. Didn't you know?
                      By such a slim margin that neither side can get anything through.

                      How about we keep politics out of this? That's a subject that nobody will ever agree on, nor will it change anybody's mind.
                      The truth is always in the middle.


                      • #51
                        OK.OK! I have something that made me smile.

                        I was looking at the Emerald Coast Equestrian show at the Escambia Co. EQ center and on the Stall fee it said:

                        **Stall and RV prices have gone DOWN!!!**

                        1 night $17.00
                        2 nights $28.00
                        3 nights $39.00

                        R.V. $20.07 per night!!!

                        Pre entries: 10.00
                        Post 10.00 late fee per entry form
                        Office fee $5.00
                        Grounds $5.00

                        And the Escambia EQ center is GORGEOUS! Check it out online. http://www.co.escambia.fl.us/departm...riancenter.php and they have more stalls.

                        I am always sadden that when someone hosts a USEF rated show at the EC EQ Center, they bump the stall fees to $187.00 and tacks on huge fees. Why is that?
                        "Common sense is so rare nowadays, it should be classified as a super power."-Craig Bear Laubscher


                        • #52
                          I want people smarter than me to run the country. I don't want hockey moms and people like g Bush that say Szaecozy is " a smart guy' and i love your wife...model, whore, naked model." Idiots.
                          Mid-Atlantic Equitation Festival,Scholarships and College Fair
                          November 11-13, 2016


                          • #53
                            Originally posted by LexInVA View Post
                            Many areas are also losing their horse venues to development...
                            At least one silver lining is that this may slow down some.

                            I lived through the dot-com bust, and while that was painful, and I was in the middle of it, it was still very local. It didn't threaten to end credit to consumers, to kill people's retirement companies, or bankrupt their insurance companies. I'm realizing that my clients' clients are directly impacted. Watch it ripple. We'll see.

                            But, there's not much to do except batten down the hatches and see what the winds bring us.
                            If you are allergic to a thing, it is best not to put that thing in your mouth, particularly if the thing is cats. - Lemony Snicket


                            • #54
                              By such a slim margin that neither side can get anything through.
                              They still managed to shut down congress when the Republicans were trying to get an energy bill through that would have helped the gas prices and helped all of our pocketbooks. The "hockey mom" is actually a sitting governor of a very large, very important state. Our alternative, is a senator who has only been a senator, and only been that senator for 3 years of which he has spent 1 1/2 years of that term campaigning to be president and voting "Present" in Congress instead of doing any kind of job he is being paid by the taxpayers to do. Think I'll take the Governor and the war hero.

                              Why doesn't everyone here do what Joe Biden is proposing and "pay more in taxes, it is the patriotic thing to do."

                              That should help us all get to horse shows more! Not only that if the Dems succeed in reinstating the Death Taxes, you'll see riding stables and horse farms being sold off to pay those death taxes instead of being passed down. Do you want your farms and stables being bought up by land developers because the dems want to have that ridiculous death tax?

                              Forget horse shows, then you won't be able to find a place even to BOARD your horse!


                              • #55
                                Originally posted by tri View Post
                                No, actually the DEMOCRATS control Congress. Didn't you know?
                                You do realize that they just managed to wrestle away control a short-while ago, and not by much, right? Just because someone is in a position today doesn't mean that the problems that exist today were caused by them. Just because an election cycle changes the layout of Congress doesn't mean that the ball put in motion by the previous Congress immediately changes course.

                                It isn't necessarily the Republicans or the Democrats that are destroying us. It's the damned two-party system. It's too easy to scapegoat, too easy to pass the buck, too easy to avoid responsibility and a whole lot of us-and-them'ing to keep some modicum of control.

                                What we're witnessing here is the culmination of multiple mistakes on multiple fronts. Predatory credit practices, people living well beyond their means, banks handing out loans and credit cards to people who can't and won't pay for them, "trickle-down economics" being an utter failure (news flash, it's a global economy - it's shifted to trickle-OUT), increased ease of globalization, badly written tax-code, etc, etc.

                                You can't put the blame on any one political party or group of people. We ALL dropped the ball.


                                • #56
                                  Yes yes we know that Obama as president means doom, destruction, and death for all living things due to some sort of sinister link between abortions, sex ed, evolution, and muslims.

                                  Now, maybe we can back to the topic at hand. Horses.

                                  The economy effects me gas wise (biggest change for me is running fewer useless errands and adding gas to my lesson costs), frankly I probably make less in a year then some people on this BB do in a month. I show locally, live in my means, and enjoy life. My $30 a stall and $10 a class seems to get me through one or two shows a month until it gets too freaking cold to do anything. Then I take a nice horsey vacation and wish for Spring.


                                  • #57
                                    I think it depends on the region of the country you're in too. Some areas, such as those heavily affected by the automotive industry (which I work in), are struggling more than others. The A show I was planning to attend this weekend was cancelled due to lack of entries, but the AA version of this series has been well attended.


                                    • #58
                                      In my area people are finally getting smart and choosing shows that are run on time with ample warm up and parking. One show is not doing as well because they only have one ring, run way behind, and you have to drop your horse off and park on a side street. Another show is up and coming because they have tons of parking, run as close to on time as hunters can get, and have several rings with plenty of space to school.


                                      • #59
                                        Did anyone notice, in spite of Marnye Langer's glowing report, that entries at Monmouth were waaaaay down? also Lake Placid seemed light. those are premiere shoes....so this IS affecting the fiscally gifted!!!
                                        "Over the Hill?? What Hill, Where?? I don't remember any hill!!!" Favorite Tee Shirt


                                        • #60
                                          Originally posted by enjoytheride View Post
                                          Yes yes we know that Obama as president means doom, destruction, and death for all living things due to some sort of sinister link between abortions, sex ed, evolution, and muslims.

                                          Now, maybe we can back to the topic at hand. Horses.

                                          LOL! Excellent.

                                          We're beginning to already see the impact. I think there are going to be more fire-sale horses, or horses just turned out. At least N of Seattle. Seattle may be just fine..
                                          The truth is always in the middle.