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RnR Turnout for a Month. Would you? Muscle loss?

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  • RnR Turnout for a Month. Would you? Muscle loss?

    All the competition horses have always stayed in near full work all year. My competition season has always ended late October then began in February which never really allowed for turnout and it was never something any of my instructors have ever done.
    This year though I am done showing (was gonna show the October shows but bills from a car accident and such aren't gonna let me) and the important show I want to get to early next year is at the end of March though would probably do an indoor spruce show in march before that. This leaves me with like 5 months where I don't have any shows.
    So this leaves me thinking maybe I should give him some time on turnout in a field. I have always heard its good for them to give them time to just chill and be a horse. I also think its the best time to do it now before we get crazy cold as he gets cold easily, and work has been really stressful for me lately so having a break for me would be nice.
    I also don't though want to lose all the muscling I worked so hard to build this summer. I also worry about attitude. When he had a mild injury and had some time off in a stall/paddock situation (paddock was 15meters by 15 meters) he came back with a fairly poor attitude (which is extremely not like him) and tons of crazy energy that still isn't quite gone. Though I know that a field will allow him a lot more exercise and movement on his own.
    He's a very friendly horse though will stand up for himself so I don't think the one or 2 horses he will be in with should cause an issue. I am hoping to be able to pay a bit extra and have the barn blanket him as needed as its a half hour drive one way just to get to the barn.
    Have you guys done this? Has it been beneficial? How much muscling/fitness did your horse lose? Any other tips or suggestions?
    Thanks!

  • #2
    IME muscle loss differs from horse to horse. Some breeds seems to lose muscle faster than others. When I had my TB he would lose condition very easily, but I don't see the same case in the WB's at my barn that are given time off. Maybe it's just coincidential.

    If you're concerned about his personality/behavior being negatively impacted perhaps you could still handwalk or trail ride him during his time off? Time off doesn't have to mean "go live in a pasture and do absolutely nothing".

    In general I would say taking a break after heavy showing is going to beneficial. A horse is a living creature that can feel stress both mentally and physically. Lessening the load has got to feel better to them. They perform for you month after month... they deserve a break of some sort.

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    • #3
      I give my horse a month off on the winter and I've never had a problem. With a month it doesn't take all that long to get them back into shape. More than a month may be a little more difficult.
      “Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.”
      ¯ Oscar Wilde

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      • #4
        If they're healthy and in good shape, they generally don't lose much muscle mass in a month. I agree with whoever said to just trail ride him some. The different terrain will help keep him in shape while also clearing his mind some. It will also cut down on some of the anxiety from going from a show horse to a pasture pet (which some need a real gradual transition into).
        Fils Du Reverdy (Revy)- 1993 Selle Francais Gelding
        My equine soulmate
        Mischief Managed (Tully)- JC Priceless Jewel 2002 TB Gelding

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        • #5
          All of our horses get the winters off every year. Their last show will be in October and their riding will be limited until we start the prep for our next show season (April/May).

          Hands down, it positively impacts our horses. They are healthy and sane, and the fear of muscle loss doesn't seem to be a big contender as they typically take very little schooling to get back to show ring ready in the spring. And as a side benefit, I think it greatly increases their longevity. Think about it: a horse showing and schooling heavily for 6-7 months of the year is going to get a lot less wear than one showing 11-12 months of the year. We currently have a middle aged 18hh warmblood gelding competing over some big fences in the jumper ring. He's as sound as the day is long, and looking at his legs you would never know he shows at the height he does (*knock wood*). He actually came 2nd in his grand prix over the past weekend.

          Personality wise, I would assume a large part of your gelding's poor attitude would be from the small size of the turn out. If he has ample room to run, roam, and hang out, I think you will see a whole different horse at the end of it. Our broodmares and young stock have several hundred acres to themselves, and I can attest (as an "outsider") that the babies have the best brains I've ever come across.

          In short... go for it! I think your horse will enjoy himself and greatly appreciate the break.

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          • #6
            If you're worried about attitude, consider hacking once a week. If you notice a bad turn in attitude, ride twice a week and increase as minimally as required. Long and low, relaxed, fun. Maybe out on a trail if you have any and/or they interest you.

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            • #7
              I think vacations are great (there is actually a thread about them on the eventing forum). If you can do it, I think it would be great. You may find out that turned out and left alone may be perfect for him, or it may not. Consider a trail ride occasionally to keep him engaged if he seems blah. I wouldn't worry too much about muscling and fitness during a month of turnout. He will probably be fine, and more likely than not come back better than he went into vacation.
              Amanda

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              • #8
                Pssh my horses have had a month long vacation recently since my SO went out of town and I don't ride alone.

                They (3yo QH, 8 yo Tb and 19 yo Tb) are all happy as clams. They get attention and scritches every day, but that's it. They are calm and relaxed. I actually rode my 8 yo for the first time the other day, in the cool weather, and we flatted on the buckle for the first 20 min. Theyre so much more relaxed when they can just hang out and be horses. Granted, mine are out on 130+ acres.
                Charlie Brown (1994 bay TB X gelding)
                White Star (2004 grey TB gelding)

                Mystical Moment, 1977-2010.

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                • #9
                  Generally speaking, it takes at least 6 weeks for a horse to start to lose fitness. And if they are keeping active out in the pasture, it will be even longer.

                  Even when I have given my horses longer time off (2-3 months) I have always been surprised by how quickly they "come back".
                  Janet

                  chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).

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                  • #10
                    Don't fret over it. Your boy will benefit more from a vaca, then no vaca. Its good for the brain!

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                      #11
                      Thanks guys.
                      I think I will talk to my trainer and figure out how she feels and work from there. Right now a don't think she has any geldings out in the field but maybe if she knew I had one going out she might toss one out there. I think it would be great for a break, and the odd trail ride sounds nice too.

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                      • #12
                        Point of clarification: Are you meaning you'll turn him out to "pasture board" for a month, or do you mean you'll just let him have daily turnout (ie all day) and no workload.

                        I'm still in favor of the vacation from work, it's just worth considering that not all horses enjoy living out 24/7, especially if they've spent their lives doing stall-based living.

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                          #13
                          He has a good 8 hours turnout at all times at the barn as is (cept horrid weather), I mean full time pasture turnout. He was started late in life and spent probably up to and most of his 5th year in a pasture. He's a pretty chill horse so I don't imagine he would be apposed.

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                          • #14
                            I will give my horses time off and honestly they are rarely sour and are extremely healthy from it. Maybe consider just trail rides a few times a week and "fun" stuff to do with him. My paint was always in the best shape of his life the months that we would just spend trail riding and swimming.

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                            • #15
                              Ask yourself if you would benefit from a month of 'vacation' - total relaxation with no stress. That's your answer.
                              Turn your pony out 24/7, do a few trail rides (if you must), but keep it low key. A month is nothing in the grand scheme of things, even 2 months. Do it!!!
                              Some days the best thing about my job is that the chair spins.

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                              • #16
                                I always give mine a break - always! Living in the South I tend to give it in August/Sept. nowadays, but they do always get one.
                                "The standard you walk by is the standard you accept."--Lt. Gen. David Morrison, Austalian Army Chief

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                                • #17
                                  I give my horses (and myself) a bit of time off in the winter. I have one horse who has heels that like to start to contract a bit so I pull his shoes and give him Dec and Jan off barefoot.

                                  I take him out to do a little trail riding a few times a week but that is all. He enjoys his vacation, gets to rest up and when I start him back in February he is fat and sassy and ready to get back to it.

                                  Of course, we start out slow and steady and work on fitness before moving to strenuous workouts.
                                  Stoneybrook Farm Afton TN

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                                  • #18
                                    My horse always goes on minimal work for the winter. I just don't have a good winter riding setup. He's an Arab and holds condition well, but he's always happier with a ton of turnout.

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                                    • #19
                                      What Janet and Yellowbritches said. Everyone, including horses, needs a little R&R...your horse will be fine and to echo what YB said - he'll probably come back better.

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                                      • Original Poster

                                        #20
                                        Thanks guys. So I talked with my instructor and Elis is all set up to be turned out to the field starting in October. She's gonna bring up one of her young horses from her parents place so he's got a buddy. Gotta get his hind shoes pulled. Had such a great ride today I almost wanted to reconsider but I know it will be good for both of us and I CAN go ride anytime I want if I really want to.

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