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  • #41
    Every picture of sale horses on that website are from Benny DeRuiter's (sp?) sales barn in Holland. Is he somehow affiliated with Benny??????? That would be pretty shocking indeed.....but I've never heard of him or seen his name in the results.
    http://good-times.webshots.com/album/557433725gtOAuC

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    • #42
      http://www.bennyderuiterstables.com/home

      this is the barn he is stealing the pictures from on horseshow spy there were people that said he has been to their barn looking for quite a few horses and has up to 6 mill to spend. this is a story multiple people stated that they have eaither experienced or heard. apparently he would show up and put a very bad riding "assistant" on a lot of very nice horses then leave telling the trainer that he will have his clients flown in on they privqate jets within the next few days and when they have a set date he would call them. He never returned in any of the cases to try the horses or with clients. [edit]
      DO NOT TRUST THIS GUY

      i personally had never heard of him until it came up on HSS but reading everything that was written i have enough sense to warn everyone that i can that he has a bad rep. and we all know in this buisness your reputation is EVERYTHING. [edit]

      I am not one to put people down but PLEASE BE CAFEFUL with this guy
      Last edited by Moderator 1; Sep. 17, 2008, 05:21 PM. Reason: accusations

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      • #43
        Have lived and shown in So Cal for longer than this guy's (allegedly) been alive ... never, ever heard of him.

        In CV's introduction to us, he claimed the horses on his website are from a "friend in the UK" ... when did Holland become part of the U.K.?

        I dunno. This one doesn't pass the smell test, much like the poor guy who (allegedly) got suckered by what's-her-name on the "investment" horses.

        Dear CV, if that's really you: If you want to be taken seriously in ANY business, first you must learn to communicate coherently, and that includes being able to spell correctly. Your post and website make my eyes bleed.
        Congratulate me! My CANTER cutie is an honor student at Goofball University!

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        • #44
          [QUOTE=seyword99;3514527][url]http://www.bennyderuiterstables.com/home[/url


          Ohhhh...I want Waldinus. NICE horses. Has anyone bought from Benny?? I know, off topic. :-)
          www.tiernanmckay.blogspot.com

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          • #45
            Total con artist apparently. Has said he is a trainer at a very nice barn in Simi Valley. Marketing director of said barn says he never even had a horse there [edit].

            All through the grapevine...so I can't swear to this...but I trust my sources. Also, I have never actually seen him at any horse shows in LA.
            Last edited by Moderator 1; Sep. 17, 2008, 05:24 PM. Reason: accusations

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            • #46
              Originally posted by agentdressage View Post
              Total con artist apparently. Has said he is a trainer at a very nice barn in Simi Valley. Marketing director of said barn says he never even had a horse there [edit]
              All through the grapevine...so I can't swear to this...but I trust my sources. Also, I have never actually seen him at any horse shows in LA.
              My trainers have dealt with this guy personally. Run guys, run.
              Last edited by Moderator 1; Sep. 17, 2008, 05:25 PM. Reason: quote
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              "I know nothing with any certainty, but the sight of stars makes me dream." --Vincent Van Gogh

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              • #47
                Christopher Vancaren

                And the chat still goes on! Just to let you people know you can write what ever you want about me just like i can do the same about you! But at the end of the day i still love horses im happy with the clients i have and no matter what anyone says i will always train and ride horses and as long as i have clients willing to stay with me even after seeing all this makes me work harder i might not spell the best and people may not like me I DON'T CARE!!! you people are sick first im a con than scam and now i steal tack from barns wow if this was all true people i would be in JAIL! But i know people hate to see a young african american training and riding HUNTER/JUMPERS and that just might have better horses in his barn i understand. Where i come from you are called haters lol so hate me all you want because when your on here typing crap about me im training which you can do because you have no clients but this ''CON'' does you should take notes.


                Hug,
                Christopher Vancaren

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                • #48
                  Originally posted by CVEQUINE View Post
                  And the chat still goes on! Just to let you people know you can write what ever you want about me just like i can do the same about you! But at the end of the day i still love horses im happy with the clients i have and no matter what anyone says i will always train and ride horses and as long as i have clients willing to stay with me even after seeing all this makes me work harder i might not spell the best and people may not like me I DON'T CARE!!! you people are sick first im a con than scam and now i steal tack from barns wow if this was all true people i would be in JAIL! But i know people hate to see a young african american training and riding HUNTER/JUMPERS and that just might have better horses in his barn i understand. Where i come from you are called haters lol so hate me all you want because when your on here typing crap about me im training which you can do because you have no clients but this ''CON'' does you should take notes.


                  Hug,
                  Christopher Vancaren

                  Just because people have caught on to you does not mean they are singling you out because of your race..
                  Last edited by Texan By The Grace Of God; Sep. 15, 2008, 03:40 AM.
                  !

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                  • #49
                    When did this become a race thing?

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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by HorsRdr477 View Post
                      When did this become a race thing?
                      Playing the race card to divert people from the real issues. How pathetic.

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                      • #51
                        Originally posted by HorsRdr477 View Post
                        When did this become a race thing?
                        When he wrote "But i know people hate to see a young african american training and riding HUNTER/JUMPERS and that just might have better horses in his barn i understand. Where i come from you are called haters lol so hate me all you want because when your on here typing crap about me im training which you can do because you have no clients but this ''CON'' does you should take notes."

                        before that it was just a slimy con man thing.
                        madeline
                        * What you release is what you teach * Don't be distracted by unwanted behavior* Whoever waits the longest is the teacher. Van Hargis

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                        • #52
                          Playing the race card while "training" in this part of FL is just laughable! Good lord, I am usually in the minority at barns down here (I am white American) among all the South American and European riders, trainers, barn owners, clients and staff!

                          Total scam. The horses that Benny DeRuiter has for sale are beautiful though!

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                          • #53
                            Originally posted by CVEQUINE View Post
                            And the chat still goes on! Just to let you people know you can write what ever you want about me just like i can do the same about you! But at the end of the day i still love horses im happy with the clients i have and no matter what anyone says i will always train and ride horses and as long as i have clients willing to stay with me even after seeing all this makes me work harder i might not spell the best and people may not like me I DON'T CARE!!! you people are sick first im a con than scam and now i steal tack from barns wow if this was all true people i would be in JAIL! But i know people hate to see a young african american training and riding HUNTER/JUMPERS and that just might have better horses in his barn i understand. Where i come from you are called haters lol so hate me all you want because when your on here typing crap about me im training which you can do because you have no clients but this ''CON'' does you should take notes.


                            Hug,
                            Christopher Vancaren

                            Race has NOTHING to do with it. Your response is quite off base. You can "love horses, appreciate your clients" - whatever. That has nothing to do with misrepresenting your business or your background. Taking photos and horse pictures off of someone's unrelated website without their permission or credit is copyright infringment. Those pictures on your site are Benny's horses from the Netherlands. In the age of the internet - it's quite easy to check up on results, background, photos, etc. Do yourself a favor - if you want to gain respect from people and want to establish a business - tell the truth and represent your accomplishments without "embellishing" on them. Otherwise - you will rightfully gain the rep of lying and being a "con" man.
                            http://good-times.webshots.com/album/557433725gtOAuC

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                            • #54
                              I checked out his site when it was being discussed on HSS. Did anyone else notice, there used to be a list of Grands Prix in which this person had supposedly competed. It seems to be gone from the site now, but I'd like to ask Mr. Vancaren how he'd explain that one?

                              Oh, and the race thing? Please. That's a tired old game. I think people on this site greatly respect and admire, for example, Shachine Bell and Paige Johnson (I certainly do), simply because they are both accomplished and talented riders. Race isn't part of the equation. Shame on CV for suggesting we are racists or "haters". There are plenty of liars and scammers called out on this site - this one just happens to be African American.

                              What this thread has taught me? Christopher Vancaren is a scammer, and Benny de Ruiter has really nice horses. Until CV's "racist" comments, the color of his skin wasn't even a blip on my radar screen.
                              Please don't sabotash my conchess.

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                              • #55
                                Anyone want to join his Board Of Directors?

                                This is a copy and paste from Floridahorse, under help wanted...
                                -
                                Categories: Employment
                                Ad Number: 11891
                                Date Posted: 09/06/2008
                                Contact: Christopher Vancaren

                                Southwest Ranches, Florida 33331
                                United States
                                Telephone: 8775645042
                                E-Mail: Reply to Ad
                                Web Site: http://vancarenequestrianpartners.com


                                Description
                                Please note this is not a paying job we provide perks for all board members!

                                *Major responsibilities:
                                •Organizational leadership and advisement
                                •Organization of the board of directors, officers, and committees
                                •Formulation and oversight of policies and procedures
                                •Financial management, including adoption and oversight of the annual budget
                                •Oversight of program planning and evaluation
                                •Personnel evaluation and staff development
                                •Review of organizational and programmatic reports
                                •Promotion of the organization
                                •Fundraising and outreach
                                *Members of the board share these responsibilities while acting in the interest of (Vancaren Equestrian Partners).
                                " iCOTH " window/bumper stickers. Wood Routed Stall and Farm Signs
                                http://www.bluemooncustomsigns.com

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                                • #56
                                  Christopher, before you get too deep in your new 'business venture' I would like to recommend the following reading material. Consider it a "what not to do" when buying/selling horses, representing yourself as a trainer/agent and operating a 'business' in the horse industry. You will be happy to hear the Dept. of Justice does not discriminate.

                                  United States v. Joshua Cardine and Kenneth Berlin Criminal No. 3:03CR00424
                                  Debbie Hanson
                                  www.ratemyhorsepro.com


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                                  • #57
                                    Originally posted by CVEQUINE View Post
                                    But i know people hate to see a young african american training and riding HUNTER/JUMPERS and that just might have better horses in his barn i understand.
                                    Seriously?
                                    "I'm not crazy...my mother had me tested"

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                                    • #58
                                      I know this isn't a race thing but in all honesty, don't you think in a primarily white sport that a good, talented, african american guy would have been noticed. No one from his area knows him, I think that might have stuck in their heads, even if he was showing in the low hunters. JMO - jump on me, call me racist whatever but I just think that he may have stuck out if he was really competing the way he says he has....

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                                      • #59
                                        Originally posted by LetsChat View Post
                                        I know this isn't a race thing but in all honesty, don't you think in a primarily white sport that a good, talented, african american guy would have been noticed. No one from his area knows him, I think that might have stuck in their heads, even if he was showing in the low hunters. JMO - jump on me, call me racist whatever but I just think that he may have stuck out if he was really competing the way he says he has....
                                        I agree. If you started a thread titled "Who is that really talented female African American hunter/jumper rider?" I would bet $1m that the response would be immediate and pretty accurate - Paige Johnson or Shachine Bell. Actually there is a thread right now that is basically that, although it does have the added descriptor of "heiress."

                                        In the same way, if someone asked me who that GP rider is who has the unibrow I would immediately say Rodrigo Passoa, although I think he has actually started manscaping since last time I saw him in person.

                                        But it's a waste to even write all of this b/c it's not a race thing or a guy who is new to the industry and starting grass roots - it's a person who is scamming from another website to build his own. I don't care how much he cares about his clients - unless the barn in Holland is outsourcing sales forces to the UK, who is then outsourcing their US sales through an unknown gentleman with a dubious reputation - he is doing something that is unethical and illegal.

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                                        • #60
                                          Originally posted by CVEQUINE View Post
                                          And the chat still goes on! Just to let you people know you can write what ever you want about me just like i can do the same about you! But at the end of the day i still love horses im happy with the clients i have and no matter what anyone says i will always train and ride horses and as long as i have clients willing to stay with me even after seeing all this makes me work harder i might not spell the best and people may not like me I DON'T CARE!!! you people are sick first im a con than scam and now i steal tack from barns wow if this was all true people i would be in JAIL! But i know people hate to see a young african american training and riding HUNTER/JUMPERS and that just might have better horses in his barn i understand. Where i come from you are called haters lol so hate me all you want because when your on here typing crap about me im training which you can do because you have no clients but this ''CON'' does you should take notes.


                                          Hug,
                                          Christopher Vancaren

                                          I'll be in FL next month. Can I have a riding lesson?
                                          Stoneybrook Farm Afton TN

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