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  • I have read parts of this looong thread with interest.
    And I cannot keep myself from asking: why don't you complainers braid your horse yourselves?
    Or my choice would be lets not braid.
    Last edited by kinscem; Sep. 14, 2012, 12:35 AM. Reason: Clarity

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    • I have always just wrote up the braid list at the end of the day. The braider or their runner comes by in the evening and checks the board. Shown all over the place. Never heard of a leave in fee. It is pretty routine that the Equitation horses show Friday and Sunday. A big barn can't possibly tell a braider on Tuesday the exact classes/days 20+ horses will do later that week.

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      • Originally posted by kinscem View Post
        I have read parts of this looong thread with interest.
        And I cannot keep myself from asking: why don't you complainers braid your horse yourselves?
        Or my choice would be lets not braid.

        Because our barn uses a braider who communicates well, and doesn't charge junk fees.

        Would be fine with not braiding too!

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        • Originally posted by JackieBlue View Post
          Next thing you know we'll be getting healthy horse surcharges from our vets: "Uh, Mrs. Smith, Trigger has been healthy for way too long. I was counting on at least a couple hundred in farm calls from you this year, so I've gone ahead and charged you the healthy horse surcharge. Merry Christmas and I hope to see your wallet, er, I mean, YOU, soon!"
          What if you decided to pull your horse's shoes and have him go barefoot for a while. Should the farrier then add a fee to the bill each time he trims your horse because he had been counting on continuing to shoe him?
          Or if life gets busy and you switch from full board to field board, can the BO charge you more than regular field board b/c they had hoped your horse would still be on full board??
          Haven't read the thread past this point, but this was the funniest thing I've encountered anywhere in a week. Well said, JB!

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          • Originally posted by JackieBlue View Post
            Really, your first paragraph is argumentative and outright ridiculous. It's entirely possible for a braider to pick up work upon cancellation of another job without robbing another braider of work.
            I was trying to follow the last paragraph in Post #89 when you wrote if you get a cancel during the night you just call the next person on your list & braid them. So what happens to the braider that was going to braid the horse until you got a last minute opening? That's what I didn't understand?
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            • Originally posted by Giddy-up View Post
              I was trying to follow the last paragraph in Post #89 when you wrote if you get a cancel during the night you just call the next person on your list & braid them. So what happens to the braider that was going to braid the horse until you got a last minute opening? That's what I didn't understand?
              Either the owner on the list says "Sorry, I already booked X" or says "Great, come do it!" It's not JackieBlue (or anyone else's) problem whether the second braider gets work. That's the life of work-for-hire or contractors. You win some, you lose some.
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              • Originally posted by Giddy-up View Post
                I was trying to follow the last paragraph in Post #89 when you wrote if you get a cancel during the night you just call the next person on your list & braid them. So what happens to the braider that was going to braid the horse until you got a last minute opening? That's what I didn't understand?
                Hhmmmmm, you STILL don't understand. Why are you assuming that any horse I braided "belonged" to another braider before I was hired? As I said, maybe this was its first day at the show. Maybe they didn't braid the other days. Maybe the owner braided some and then got sick of it. And maybe it WAS braided the day before by someone else and that braider charged some ridiculous junk fee that royally pissed off the horse owner. I don't know. I don't braid anymore, but when I did I didn't ask horse owners 20 questions before getting the job done. What are you trying to get at here?
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                • Originally posted by JackieBlue View Post
                  Hhmmmmm, you STILL don't understand. Why are you assuming that any horse I braided "belonged" to another braider before I was hired? <snip> What are you trying to get at here?
                  I do not think anyone is trying to get anywhere.

                  What you said is if someone cancels on you at the last minute it does not leave an opening in your schedule because you call the first person on your waiting list.
                  I doubt the first person on your waiting list was sitting around having not accommodated their horse's braiding needs in hopes you got a cancellation. That means said horse owner hired someone else, which they will then have to cancel if you call to do their horse.

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                  • Originally posted by trubandloki View Post
                    I do not think anyone is trying to get anywhere.

                    What you said is if someone cancels on you at the last minute it does not leave an opening in your schedule because you call the first person on your waiting list.
                    I doubt the first person on your waiting list was sitting around having not accommodated their horse's braiding needs in hopes you got a cancellation. That means said horse owner hired someone else, which they will then have to cancel if you call to do their horse.
                    Well, that's a lot of speculation, isn't it? Yes, sometimes people would tell me, "Oh, I've already hired So-and-So. Thanks anyway!" and I'd continue down the list. Sometimes they'd say, "Oh, what a relief! Yes, please add me to your list!" If they said the latter, I didn't begin interviewing them about why they still needed a braider. I just did the work. Pretty simple, really.

                    And if someone DID already have another braider lined up but then decided they'd rather have me do it, not only would I probably not have any idea that they were cancelling someone else, but it wouldn't be any of my business. As my horses' owner, I decide who braids them. Again, pretty simple.
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                    • Forgive me is this has been discussed... 7 pages into this tempest in a teapot.

                      So was the Leave In Fee charged for the braider coming by to check on possible damage and fix it-- large or small? Here, the braider is betting that her work has held up, but could conceivably have to rebraid a lot for that measly $15.

                      I can see an enterprising braider hoping to minimize the PITA of being a for-hire worker doing this. In this case, when you had the horse braided on night #1, you and braider decided whether the horse would be rebraided, checked-n-fixed for $15, or the HO would be on her own and pay nothing.

                      And another thing! (Tangential rant, barely justified by the previous topic):

                      I'm really tired of pros-- trainers, braiders, even cotton pickin' show secretaries-- failing to communicate and then having the sucker with the deep pockets pay anyway. Seriously? Before money changes hands, it has to be agreed upon via a conversation. And, ya rubes, a conversation is like a tennis game: When the ball is in your court, you must return it to the other side for that sh!t to "count." You don't get to leave the ball (conversation) where ever you like and then send your opponent the bill! Geez!

                      And another another thing!

                      I want the people with the wallets and a clue to how things work in the real world to stop taking this sh!t so that the business of horsing can become more business-like. Sometimes I feel that I have walked into a mob-controlled neighborhood where money circulates more by extortion (with it's own, hard to decipher logic) than by plain old talk.

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                      • Originally posted by mvp View Post
                        And another another thing!

                        I want the people with the wallets and a clue to how things work in the real world to stop taking this sh!t so that the business of horsing can become more business-like. Sometimes I feel that I have walked into a mob-controlled neighborhood where money circulates more by extortion (with it's own, hard to decipher logic) than by plain old talk.
                        Amen, love the mob controlled neighborhood analogy. Having come from a business background, the logic of the horse world continually baffles me. I guess I am one of the few who is willing to do the unthinkable and stand up for myself, ie: "step on toes" when it comes to my horse and wallet. As you can see, it is not always well received.

                        Whats puzzling is that many horse owners I know are business owners themselves, and would be totally unwilling to tolerate this behavior elsewhere, but are so afraid of being called a "problem client" that they allow themselves to railroaded.

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                        • mvp - well said!

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                          • I don't charge extra, but for me, these kinds of questions are what makes the extra charge a little tricky. Personally, I don't know why braiders take on the clients who only braid one day. Most of the time, there is no value in it. Either you are shorting yourself the second day, or you have taken on work for which you will not make any money
                            Well, then I'd never hire a braider. I don't leave them in, but there are certainly shows where we only braid for one day. But we would probably feed you.

                            Well, that's a lot of speculation, isn't it? Yes, sometimes people would tell me, "Oh, I've already hired So-and-So. Thanks anyway!" and I'd continue down the list. Sometimes they'd say, "Oh, what a relief! Yes, please add me to your list!" If they said the latter, I didn't begin interviewing them about why they still needed a braider. I just did the work. Pretty simple, really.
                            For the life of me, I couldn't figure out why this was hard to understand.

                            FWIW - I am of the belief that if you're going to charge fees, they need to be communicated ahead of time so all parties are on the same page. This is simple business etiquette, which, as per usual, tends to lack in the horse industry. I would expect cancellation fees to be explained up front, as they are in most businesses.
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