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  • "Share board" fee?

    I am currently half-leasing my horse to a student at the barn I'm boarding at. Due to my work schedule, I was unable to commit to weekly lessons, but I was previously riding my horse 6 days a week. The barn owner stated that it was fine if I chose not to take lessons.

    I found a wonderful match for my horse who decided to lease the horse 3 days per week. Now, the girl takes 2 lessons per week and 1 practice ride, and I ride the other 3 days. In addition, the girl has started showing with the barn. I cover the complete board bill paid to the barn, and the leaser then writes a check to me for her lease fee.

    Our barn owner recently notified us that she is "re"-instating a so-called share board fee, essentially charging all boarders who lease their horses a fee due to (direct quote) the additional use of the facilities now that the horse is leased. I put the "re" in quotes because in the year I have been there, she's never had it, nor did she mention it when I asked about leasing out my horse. She also said that this fee is typical and most barns have this.

    I have never heard of a share board fee, and the way I see it, my horse is being ridden the same amount of time, but the barn is actually making a much bigger profit off of her being partially leased out due to the lessons and show fees happening on my horse. And by the way, there is not an appropriate school horse for the student to lease. All of her show quality horses are leased at this point.

    Has anyone here ever heard of a "share board" fee? If so, what were the circumstances? If not, what are your thoughts on this situation?

    Thanks in advance
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  • #2
    I think it sounds like BO is trying a "clever" way of making some extra money. It's your horse, you are paying the board. If you choose to have someone else come out to ride it, that should be your business as long as the rider is safe/appropriate and not causing any disruption to BO's program. I have never personally heard of anyone paying extra board to lease out their horse as long as lessee is paying for their services.

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    • #3
      Some people just insist on tacking on every possible fee.

      For every BO who insists they couldn't possibly exist without tacking on facility fees/share lease fees (which I have never even heard of)/farrier holding fees/turnout fees, etc etc etc, there is another BO who mysteriously manages to do just fine charging lower base board and no extra fees.

      The people in the second group tend to be the ones who are full and can pick and choose their clients from a waiting list.
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      • #4
        Some people really try to milk every dime they can out of a situation. How can it be "additional use of facilities" when you are riding 1/2 the amount you did before and the leasee is riding your "other 1/2" ? Plus it sounds like she is making some extra money off leasee due to starting to show. I think I would have a discussion with the BO. I remember in the past an occasion when I boarded with my trainer and I was getting groom charges for a horse show. I know I did all the work on my horse from cleaning stall to filling water buckets, to grooming/bathing/tacking her up and bringing her to the trainer at ring side. I went to her and told her I was not paying the extra fee per day(this was years ago) $25/day and explained that I had done all the work and the groom had not done anything that I could see. She did take it off my bill and never charged me again as I preferred to prepare my own horse.

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          #5
          I'm glad I am not the only one feeling this way. I mean, shouldn't the "facility" cost be included in my board fee? I guess I just assumed that board was calculated in a way that took into consideration the fact that my horse would likely be ridden almost daily, and it seems silly that now that it's two people doing it instead of one, she's going to start charging more.

          Anyone else? Ever heard of "share board" fee? Thoughts?
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          • #6
            souds ridiculous to me but...

            Trying to think of a rationale...

            - are you the only one leasing?
            - what is the fee?
            - does the rider leasing cause any kind of problems?
            -- tack and equipment storage?
            -- is there competition for ring time?
            -- have others complained?

            I know everyone keeps saying "Their barn their rules" -- an expression I've come to hate -- but if you want an opinion, it strikes me as unusual.
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            • #7
              Are there others in the barn this fee will be applied to?
              If it is just you it might be the BO trying to make up the difference of you not taking lessons.

              How much is the fee? Is it minimal enough that you can just pass it along to the person leasing?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by trubandloki View Post
                Are there others in the barn this fee will be applied to?
                If it is just you it might be the BO trying to make up the difference of you not taking lessons.

                How much is the fee? Is it minimal enough that you can just pass it along to the person leasing?
                BO is actually making more money, because as the OP said, she never took lessons....the girl leasing now takes two a week.


                OP, quite honestly, I'd tell the barn owner flat up that if you see that fee tacked onto the bill this month, you will be giving her your 30 days notice. UNLESS it says something in the contract about it, she can't just "make up" these fees and not expect any argument.

                And no, it's not common. I've never heard of it before.

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                • #9
                  It is not common, but not unheard of. There has been at least one other thread on it.

                  Does the BO like the girl? Does she get on with the other boarders? Could she be perceived as "high maintenance"?
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                  • #10
                    What's in your boarding agreement or fee schedule list?
                    Is this fee even mentioned in the published list of charges?

                    I've rarely heard of this type of fee being charged and the circumstances were unusual and nothing near the situation you've described.

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                    • #11
                      I'd tell your BO that you aren't going to pay it.. see where that gets you.

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                      • #12
                        I was at a barn who charged a "lease fee" and found it ridiculous! BO's reason, one more person using the bathroom, taking up parking space and using the ring.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Zenyatta View Post
                          I was at a barn who charged a "lease fee" and found it ridiculous! BO's reason, one more person using the bathroom, taking up parking space and using the ring.
                          But it's not really an "extra" person, just two different people! Still one person six days a week. This is B.S.--and I have my own farm with boarders and leased horses.
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                          • #14
                            The only thing I can think of for the BO's side of things is that there are few boarders who actually come out six days a week to ride. Most of the boarders at the barns where I've been come out between 2 and 4 times a week.

                            So if a horse is going six times a week like clock work that is more use. (Not necessarily enough "more" use to charge extra for, imo, but still.)

                            However considering the fact that this lessee is taking extra lessons it is just ridiculous. I don't understand it, in the long run you NEVER make more money this way. The repeat business you earn by saving your customers money when you can and keeping the rates low enough that they can lesson EVERY week instead of "when they can afford to splurge" is so much more than holding out for every last drop of blood for the stone.

                            I keep my rates below market for training, teaching, and trailering and I still pay off my entire mortgage and student loans (plus a good chunk of my monthly gas and groceries) off of just the riding I do on the side of my 9-5. And the people who do it full time and charge more than I do complain they can't make ends meet. Empty stalls and unfilled lesson slots make NO money. Hmm.
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                            • #15
                              I lease my horse out a couple days a week and I have never heard of this fee. I would absolutely talk to the BO and remind him/her of the added money that your lease brings in.
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                              • #16
                                I haven't heard of a share board fee; at least it isn't listed on my barn's price sheet. Then again, there are no situations like yours where one client is leasing a horse to another client.

                                I know that you wrote that the BO has no other appropriate horse for this girl to lease. Does the BO agree with that? Perhaps she wishes that client would be leasing a horse from her so she would be the one collecting the lease fee. Perhaps she sees the share board as a sort of commission. Not saying either of these lines of thought are right or entitle her to more money, just thinking this could be her motivation.

                                Either way, I'd speak to her about it. Say something like, "I was surprised to see XYZ charge on my bill for share board. I feel that the facilities aren't being used any more since Susie is riding Dobbin on the days I used to come but now am unable to. Also, my leasing Dobbin to her has allowed her to take extra lessons and begin participating in shows, etc..." and work your way towards saying that you are uncomfortable with the extra charge given these circumstances. See what she says. Either she will be reasonable and you'll come to an agreement or she won't, you'll see her true colors, and then you'll have something to think about. Who knows, maybe she'll tell you something you hadn't considered or will charge Susie instead if somehow her consumption of supplies or whatever is an issue.

                                Good luck!!

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                                • Original Poster

                                  #17
                                  Thanks so much for all the feedback! Trying to answer some questions asked.

                                  1) This is nowhere in my boarding contract. Board was increased about 6 weeks ago, and now this.

                                  2) It wasn't put right into my bill. She sent an e-mail to the entire barn saying that she will be re-instating the fee, and for horse owners who are leasing to let her know which party will be paying the fee (lessor or lessee). Yes, there will be others paying the fee, but I haven't asked how they feel about it... They have been friends of the barn owner for a long time, and some of them are in college, etc, so I haven't been able to talk to them.

                                  3) The kid is the least high maintenance kid ever. She is unbelievably sweet, and she uses all of my tack, supplies, etc. She and her mom pick my horses stall and clean and fill her water buckets every time they ride.

                                  4) There really is not a suitable lease horse for her, nor was the option even offered when they asked the barn owner about a lease. In fact, she suggested my horse! It's been about 6 months, and now she springs this fee.

                                  5) There are two indoor rings, and if lessons are taking place in the big ring, she'll ride in the small one. There are also two outdoor rings.

                                  6) My horse is also one of those horses that for physical reasons/age, she needs to be going very regularly to stay loose, fit and comfortable. The vet said it would be a worst case scenario to have her not be ridden most days during the week, so whether or not I'm leasing her, I'll be there (and in fact was there!) 6-7 days out of the week to ride.



                                  Does this help clarify? I don't feel like I should personally have to pay it since my horse is "contributing" to lesson and show fees, but I also feel terrible just passing the fee onto the girl.
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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by starhorse View Post

                                    Does this help clarify? I don't feel like I should personally have to pay it since my horse is "contributing" to lesson and show fees, but I also feel terrible just passing the fee onto the girl.
                                    Just out of curiousity, how much is this "fee"? Are we talking like....$10? $50? $100? It matters a little bit, I guess, although the principle of the whole thing still gets my hackles up.

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by Zenyatta View Post
                                      I was at a barn who charged a "lease fee" and found it ridiculous! BO's reason, one more person using the bathroom, taking up parking space and using the ring.
                                      Originally posted by Herbie19 View Post
                                      But it's not really an "extra" person, just two different people! Still one person six days a week. This is B.S.--and I have my own farm with boarders and leased horses.
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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by Appsolute View Post
                                        Yeah, I would NOT be thrilled with this. I mean, you and lessor are there different times, how can that be more wear and tear on the facilities?

                                        Does she charge extra if any one dared come out to the barn, or ride twice in the same day? What if you brought a friend, and they used the bathroom, extra fees for that? Talk about nickel and diming… I would be inclined to ask the BO how exactly she is incurring more expense by two different people riding the same horse on different days.. I say it is BS.
                                        Appsolute of course there wouldn't be a fee for the friend using the bathroom--I'm sure the guests use a coin operated PortaJon located at the back of the property. Duh!

                                        The whole thing is definitely total BS.
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