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Update page 2!: Circuit Premier Special EQ Saddle - thoughts?

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  • Update page 2!: Circuit Premier Special EQ Saddle - thoughts?

    Anyone out there have, or has tried, Dover's Circuit Premier Special EQ saddle?

    http://www.doversaddlery.com/circuit...eq/p/X1-15060/

    I like that the seat is pretty flat AND that it comes in a fwd flap option - two very important things to me.

    It's not that much more than what I was budgeting for a used something, and I'm having a lot of trouble finding used anything with fwd flaps! And maybe Dover will have one slightly discounted in their trial saddles...

    I know it's a newer model so people can't speak to the longevity, but any thoughts from people who have seen it in person?
    Last edited by RolyPolyPony; Oct. 9, 2012, 10:59 AM.

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    I'll start this disclosure with that I work part-time at the local Dover. Having said that.... I LOVE the saddle for it's fit and feel for me. I've only tried it on the 'dummy' horse at the store so you know once you strap it on to Dobbin things change a little.

    The saddle is designed by Beval and my horse adores the Butet but I do not for it's price tag and not so attractive color combinations. This particular saddle I personally am not completely thrilled with the leather because I just feel once again that it's not very pretty.

    I'm hoping to take one on trial soon and see what I think. I've read reviews and done research on the other Circuit Premier and people love them AND they don't sell them often. I myself have sold several of these saddles and not a one has come back to us.

    Because I'm only part-time I don't know off the top of my head if they offer a trial ride in this, but it may be worth a shot. I'm 5'10" and the 18" with the forward flap fits me perfectly!

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      Ohh, HRF - thanks! Now I am even more intrigued! It's hard finding that fwd flap!

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        Actually I may be wrong. They may just come in a 'long' flap. However when I measured the long flap it matches my trainers 2.5 Butet flap which is 14.5". I believe the flaps were 14" which is better for me because I feel like his are just a little too big for me. But the length is perfect.

        The other saddle that's similar (but more expensive) is the new Pessoa A/O. They are offering some really interesting panels now too. I feel like the seat and the flaps are almost identical.

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        • #5
          I started as a "re-rider" in 1990, and went through quite a variety of saddles. As recall, the succession goes: Crosby PDN, PJ, Bevel World Cup, Pessoa, Butet, then got a Circuit Premier in a wide tree to fit my wider horses.

          I liked the wide Circuit Premier so much I got the Circuit Premier Eq in a medium tree for my narrower horses. I used those two saddles for years and years. I think I got them in about 2004 or so. They fit me (5'7" with long thigh) and my horses well.

          The ONLY thing I have liked better is my new Tad Coffin, but that is quite a step up! My 60th birthday present to myself!

          Overall, big thumbs up for the Dover Premier and Premier Eq. When I had the Butet I could tell right away that although the leather was pretty and soft and nice, it was not going to last long. I sold it before the pommel wore down. The Dover saddles are not "buttery" or whatever it is that people seem to clamor for, but they break in well and look just fine for years.

          Edited to correct when I got the saddle -- trying to measure time by my horses!
          Last edited by ToTheNines; Aug. 31, 2012, 03:43 PM.
          Rest in peace Claudius, we will miss you.

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            #6
            Thanks, ToTheNines! I def. think I'm going to see about getting one out on trial thank to you all

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            • #7
              ToTheNines, thanks for the feedback! I've been struggling with this decision because....well.... It's just not THAT pretty but it seems incredibly functional. I will likely be ordering a trial saddle myself now. MUCHAS GRACIAS!

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              • #8
                I can't speak for this particular model, but I do have experience with many circuit saddles- nearly everyone at my barn has had one at some point or another. The older circuits are VERY nice- not top quality, but soft leather that will last for years, great balance, etc. The newer ones are pretty much the opposite of that, IME.

                My trainer and I both had older models, and encouraged some of the teens at the barn to get circuits since we were both happy with ours (I think this was around 2007/2008). The new saddles are FAR below the quality of the older models- personally, I wouldn't waste my money on one. The balance is still good, but the leather is like plastic (a lot like Kincade stuff, just a better color). Very slick, shiny, and even after 5 years of almost daily riding and regular oiling/conditioning (trying everything we can think of), the saddle that has been used the most is still as slick and stiff as ever. The others were either replaced or are collecting dust.

                I would certainly get a trial saddle before you commit to buying- maybe the quality has gotten better recently, I wouldn't know as we never had anyone order another one after seeing the quality of the last few. Hopefully they have fixed the leather to be less slippery and actually break in! If so, I would recommend these saddles in a heartbeat!

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                  laurelo, it sounds like you have some experience with the older new circuits, if that makes sense. i agree, older ones are a lot nicer than the new versions of the old models.

                  however, the new models, such as the one the OP is asking about, are totally different, and really nice. definitely give the special a try! i haven't sat in the EQ model with the flatter seat, but love the deeper seat model. nice balance, nice leather, comes lightly pre-oiled, and is a lovely color.

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                  • #10
                    I was thinking the same thing as emeraldcity. I saw one a few years ago that was sort of caramel colored and plastic-y.

                    But the one in the link above looks really nice leather-wise. So maybe they got smart and went back to a better leather. Actually the one in the link above looks even nicer than my circa-2004 one.

                    Call Dover! When I bought my Circuit Eq (mid-2000's I think), I called and the person to whom I spoke knew all those Circuit saddles inside and out. Seats, flaps, which best for what build, etc. Maybe she or her protege is still there!
                    Rest in peace Claudius, we will miss you.

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                    • #11
                      No experience on this saddle, but the discussion has me curious about difference in leather used on the flaps. Some are slick, some are very slick! My Beval Jr & Butet are nice and grippy, what makes the difference in grip factor on a saddle? I know some are coated in a wax, but that eventually wears off yet the saddle is still slick??

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                        Originally posted by emeraldcity View Post
                        laurelo, it sounds like you have some experience with the older new circuits, if that makes sense. i agree, older ones are a lot nicer than the new versions of the old models.

                        however, the new models, such as the one the OP is asking about, are totally different, and really nice. definitely give the special a try! i haven't sat in the EQ model with the flatter seat, but love the deeper seat model. nice balance, nice leather, comes lightly pre-oiled, and is a lovely color.
                        Glad to hear it! I really did love the quality of the older ones in the barn, so I'm glad they seem to be back to that quality! I'll have to keep an eye out for one of the newer ones and take a look at them!

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                          I'm having a minor medical procedure next week so I'm waiting to call until after that, in case Dover is all "We have one right here to send out on trial!"

                          It definitely sounds like the leather quality has improved, at least on these Special models, if not all the new ones.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by emeraldcity View Post
                            however, the new models, such as the one the OP is asking about, are totally different, and really nice. definitely give the special a try! i haven't sat in the EQ model with the flatter seat, but love the deeper seat model. nice balance, nice leather, comes lightly pre-oiled, and is a lovely color.
                            I just rode in a Circuit Premier Special (not the Eq) for the first time today. I was quite impressed. The leather is actually quite nice for the price range. It wasn't plastic-y at all, and felt like with some TLC it would break in nicely.

                            What really impressed me was the balance. It felt really nice and put my leg in a great position. I was riding my friend's VERY bouncy boy and felt perfectly able to stay with him and all his thrust. He can feel like he is launching you in slippery saddles and I didn't get that feeling at all.

                            My own personal saddle is a custom Bruno Delgrange that is just delicious and has ruined me for all other saddles. However, for the price, I would consider the Premier Special and probably the Premier Special Eq if I was in that market and couldn't afford another Delgrange.
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                            • #15
                              I just purchased a special eq to patch me over until next month when my custom butet arrives. I was very apprehensive to purchase this based on other posts on this tread but let me say this... This is a very very nice saddle at this price point. It is basically a butet made of cheaper leather. I have only owned this saddle for a day so I cannot speak of durability but the leather is equivalent of a HDR or one of bevals stamford saddles. Very balanced and rides like my butet and looks near identical except for the circuit name on the flap, the stirrup leather keeper on top of flap instead of passing through and then the obvious leather difference because this is more chocolate than the butet red.
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                              Last edited by Moderator 1; Sep. 13, 2012, 01:40 PM.
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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Satin Filly View Post
                                what makes the difference in grip factor on a saddle? I know some are coated in a wax, but that eventually wears off yet the saddle is still slick??
                                I don't know, but I am curious, as well.

                                I love a nice saddle with grippy leather. It really improves my riding and comfort level.
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                                • #17
                                  I don't have any experience with the Circuit saddles, but for those of you saying this particular one in the link "just isn't pretty" - I'm surprised, as based on the photo I think its an attractive looking saddle. What is it that makes you dislike its appearance?

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                                    Originally posted by BAC View Post
                                    I don't have any experience with the Circuit saddles, but for those of you saying this particular one in the link "just isn't pretty" - I'm surprised, as based on the photo I think its an attractive looking saddle. What is it that makes you dislike its appearance?
                                    Right? I keep wondering that too - I've been drooling all over the pic online and in the catalog!

                                    To keep people posted - I haven't done a trial on this yet, as I randomly came across a used Harry Dabbs Prix for a great price, and just got it yesterday for a trial. However, if it fails to fit me or my lease, I am def. looking into the Special Eq.

                                    (and even if it does fit us both, I already have it in the back of my mind to keep on saving a little extra each month and maybe next summer I can sell the Dabbs and get the Special Eq...! )

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                                    • #19
                                      Check with Dover & see how long the "discounted" price will last, eg, is it an introductory price offered to get the new saddles out there, or is it a more or less permanent sale price ...

                                      Hope your surgery went well

                                      Thanks to Hannahsmom86 for the great photos

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by BAC View Post
                                        I don't have any experience with the Circuit saddles, but for those of you saying this particular one in the link "just isn't pretty" - I'm surprised, as based on the photo I think its an attractive looking saddle. What is it that makes you dislike its appearance?
                                        I don't think it is an ugly saddle, but if you are used to something "pretty", it will leave you flat. My Delgrange is drool worthy. I sometimes just look at it sitting there and think "my goodness. That's a gorgeous saddle." The CirCuit saddle I m familiar with is nice enough, but it just doesn't have the same "wow" factor. But, I also paid a lot more for that wow factor.

                                        There ar a few things on the Circuit that aren't as nice looking as they could be, bu t does not detract from the functionality of the saddle.

                                        I do think anyone who compares it with an HDR is crazy. I've never seen an HDR I'd be tempted to purchase. The only ones I've seen are slippery, orange pieces of yuck that aren't worth much f anything. IMO, the Circuit Special is much nicer than an HDR.
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