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  • #61
    I purchased the three no bid youngsters consigned by David Dowler. Their numbers were 7, 14 and 21. They are lovely babies and I was so sorry to see all the work, time and effort in these youngsters and then they don't even get a single bid in the ring. No one stepped up to offer to buy them as many people were asked to buy them or even take them! I do not need anymore horses to add to the enormous herd of broodmares, babies, prospects, etc that I already have but these babies are wonderful and I am very happy with them. They have all been wormed, vaccinated with fall shots and the yearling and two year old are now turned out with my other fat and happy yearlings that are growing up on my 200 acres. The three year old was tacked up today and walked around the ring with one of my students to see the place. He will remain at the main farm where my rider will start his basics until he is ready for my students to take on to show.

    Edited to add that the three ponies (not four) that had no bids sold for more than $100 each as I saw the sale tickets. It was very disheartening to see David so crushed and even more sad that none of the other people there stepped up to buy these ponies so I did. I was there till the end and anyone could have offered to buy them but no one did so I did.
    Last edited by Picturesque; Sep. 1, 2008, 10:17 PM.
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    • #62
      I was very suprised with the prices his ponies brought. I always thought Cherrybrook was a big fancy name in the American Pony world. What a crush to an image

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      • #63
        Oh please, say this is not true...I was at the sale. These were nice enough ponies that deserved homes with kids. I can not let myself think of the killer auction...too sad, too horrible. It seems the economy has tanked for the local pony shopper. Geez, when I was a kid I would have given my eye teeth for 90% of these ponies. With the exception of a few really special ones, the rest seemed like ponies that would be well suited to local showing, 4-H and being a kids best friend. I saw only a couple that looked "not 100%" and the sellers seemed very nice too (ok...I know I might not be a sales shark, and the object for the seller's was to SELL, but I really only saw a few that seemed like real nut cases or unsound "dump em' quick ponies)). I will not sleep well tonight thinking of those sweet ponies just wanting a loving home... .
        Kelly, Ballingard Grove
        If you tell the truth, then you don't have to remember anything. Mark Twain

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Picturesque View Post
          It was very disheartening to see David so crushed and even more sad that none of the other people there stepped up to buy these ponies so I did. I was there till the end and anyone could have offered to buy them but no one did so I did.
          I called him as the 2nd last pony was going thru the sale and by that time he was already on the road and had them sold. There were people interested, you just go to them first!

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          • #65
            I was just posting what I was told regarding ponies selling after the sale, and in the parking lot for $100.00. I have no dog in this fight, so to speak, so please dont shoot the messenger. I was just trying to be informative. : (
            Sandy
            www.sugarbrook.com
            hunter/jumper ponies

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Sugarbrook View Post
              Just got a call from a friend of mine who had two ponies in the sale. She had been trying to find out some info on who her ponies were sold to as another person hauled them there for her and sold them for her. They brought $250.00 a piece.
              The "other person" didnt seem to be able to give her any information.

              Flash forward to today. A lady calls her. She has one of her ponies(found her name from the coggins papers) and also another little bay pony. She found them in PA. at an auction frequented by the "killer" people. Since she is a pony person she recognized that these two did not belong at this type sale and bought them outside the sale from this man. The man said he got both of them from the Va. pony auction.

              Seems the little filly is quite beat up (lady is sending pictures). I am wondering if she rode in a stock trailer with others the man bought.

              Not trying to start a train wreck, and I know I am a bit vague on my facts, but I will know more later today. I just thought others should know this. It made my stomach sick.

              IF THIS BE TRUE: i'd like to print this person's name and picture on shirts and sell them all over the country. makes me sick. i know the lady who sold one of the ponies at the select sale and i know the lady who purchased both ponies sold at the select sale at another sale.....god bless pony lovers everywhere!

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              • #67
                That is just awful. You would have at least though that even though many ponies went cheap, that they had gotten good homes. It sickens me to think that low end dealers were buying these youngsters to resell at New Holland. Breeders put way too much time, money and effort into their ponies to be slapped in the face this way. So, so sad. This situation may have just sounded the death knell for this sale if the horrible prices didn't already.

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                • #68
                  Sorry, Buyers awake!

                  Sorry for all the consigners, but, it is now a buyers' market; fall always is but, especially now with the gas prices
                  breeder of Mercury!

                  remember to enjoy the moment, and take a moment to enjoy and give God the glory for these wonderful horses in our lives.BECAUSE: LIFE is What Happens While Making Other Plans

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                    #69
                    Originally posted by Picturesque View Post
                    I purchased the three no bid youngsters consigned by David Dowler. Their numbers were 7, 14 and 21. They are lovely babies and I was so sorry to see all the work, time and effort in these youngsters and then they don't even get a single bid in the ring. No one stepped up to offer to buy them as many people were asked to buy them or even take them! I do not need anymore horses to add to the enormous herd of broodmares, babies, prospects, etc that I already have but these babies are wonderful and I am very happy with them. They have all been wormed, vaccinated with fall shots and the yearling and two year old are now turned out with my other fat and happy yearlings that are growing up on my 200 acres. The three year old was tacked up today and walked around the ring with one of my students to see the place. He will remain at the main farm where my rider will start his basics until he is ready for my students to take on to show.

                    Edited to add that the three ponies (not four) that had no bids sold for more than $100 each as I saw the sale tickets. It was very disheartening to see David so crushed and even more sad that none of the other people there stepped up to buy these ponies so I did. I was there till the end and anyone could have offered to buy them but no one did so I did.
                    I had no idea this was happening. I would have bought something from Dave if I had known. After my six consigned went thru- on purpose, I was staying away from the auction floor because I did not want to be tempted by anything -- gosh--that was a bad idea.

                    Do you need someone to help with one Christy?
                    Windswept Stables-Specializing in Ponies
                    Sales, Breaking,Training,Showing, Stud Service

                    Home of 2008 Sire of Year Reserve Champion
                    Pony Hunter Breeding - Empires Power

                    www.EmpiresPower.com

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                    • #70
                      Select p.b. auction

                      So glad I stayed home. Still waiting for the Jennings response to this sale though. This would be a decent sale if it was some where else, at a different time. Everytime I look at their reviews of this sale, my professor's voice from statistics class is ringing in my ears, "Beware the Out Liar"
                      Fox Ridge

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                      • #71
                        I wish I could have been there....No doubt I would have been to tempted to buy way more ponies then I need. But you can never have to many ponies!!

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                        • #72
                          My friend is calling the Auction House today (this am). I will post after she talks to them. She still cant find where the little (I think gelding) yearling went.
                          And I will post about the "bay" gelding that was purchased at the auction along with my friends Crystal. I know the ladies name that bought both of them, let me see if its ok to print her name. sandy
                          Sandy
                          www.sugarbrook.com
                          hunter/jumper ponies

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                          • #73
                            I purchased one of the Cherrybrook ponies and I am very happy with her. She was exactly the type of pony I was looking for heading to the sale and I lucked out and paid very little for her. I don't, however, feel like anyone should have felt like they needed to step and buy any of the ponies that were not being bidded on. Not everyone has the extra room, time or finances to take on a pony that they don't need, especially in these times.

                            I talked to David as well and also felt really bad for him. I don't think that he had enough help to get the amount of ponies he had shown properly. They were definitely some nice, well-bred ponies that he brought. There were definitely lesser quality ponies in the sale that went for more than those ponies did. In the demo several of them didn't trot and many of them didn't make it to the demo at all, including the one that I purchased.

                            I do think that if I had looked at the results of previous years sales and driven that many ponies that far, I would have made sure I had a way to get some of them home just in case.
                            www.facebook.com/SunsetPonies

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                            • #74
                              I bought one of the ponies that David brought as well. I was absolutely NOT going to get anything but she was lovely and we couldn't help ourselves. I think that if I had brought the big trailer, I would've come home with a couple others. (And had hell to pay for it, but whatever)
                              Now I'm worried about some of the other ponies that I liked that went so cheaply...
                              Beth
                              Fenway Farm

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                                #75
                                I do not know Dave to even know what he looks like --- but I do remember one man in particular at the auction that every single pony he brought out - both in the arena and just walking around -- acting naughty as if they had just been brought in from the field the day before.
                                I hope those were not Dave's ponies. If so, I can see why there were not eager bidders. I really can not imagine that those were his ponies(and they were most likely not his) as everything that I have ever seen of his has been represented quite nicely and very well mannered. Sunset-- do you think it was just a lack of help issue then? I know that I brought 3 girls to help with the 6 that I took--and we did not get to sit down til my last hip # went thru (50's) So a ton of help is necessary. However, even with a lot of help-- I only did well on one pony. Others went for peanuts and two of the six came home with me.
                                Windswept Stables-Specializing in Ponies
                                Sales, Breaking,Training,Showing, Stud Service

                                Home of 2008 Sire of Year Reserve Champion
                                Pony Hunter Breeding - Empires Power

                                www.EmpiresPower.com

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                                • #76
                                  The Select Pony Breeders Production Sale will be suspended in 2009. Limited Pony Sessions will return to the Virginia Hunter & Sport Horse Sales in the Spring. Ponies will be subject to approval.

                                  The 2008 Pony Breeders sale suffered major declines in average price and gross sales, all driven by the weakness in the lower half of the market. All this in spite of a 20% increase in our advertising budget and coming on the heels of the record setting American Hunter Pony Classic.

                                  The current recession has had a serious impact on the buyer pool for the middle and lower level markets. (For further discussion see www.professionalauction.com for an interview I did for the August Horse & Rider Magazine.)

                                  The market is extremely polarized, more so than I have ever seen it. Desirable horses and ponies are bringing as much or more than ever (see the results of the American Hunter Pony Classic). Animals of poor quality and/or condition or that have a lack of training, poor training, bad attitudes, vices etc., have a very, very limited buyer pool.

                                  The bad economy is the biggest part of the problem.

                                  Irresponsible breeders who reproduce bad horses and ponies are also part of the problem and suffer worst in a down market cycle like we are experiencing now. Now, more than ever, people who breed to sell had better know what the market wants. The marketplace is an unforgiving judge of the quality you breed.
                                  Tim Jennings
                                  Flashpoint Bloodstock, LLC
                                  http://www.sporthorseauctions.com/

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                                  • #77
                                    I am not sure if the naughty ones that you were looking at were from him or not, but I do know that several of his would not jog for him in the demo and others didn't go into the demo at all.

                                    I really do think that the lack of help hurt him. His stalls were also the farthest away from the sales ring and on the backside, so he may have gotten less traffic through the barns as well. I am not saying that he would have gotten great prices, but it wouldn't have been as bad as it was and I don't think he would have had the ponies with no bids. There were definitely ponies that were of what I would consider pretty mediocre if not poor quality animals that at least got bids, when his did not. So, either people didn't see them move or they just didn't see them at all.
                                    www.facebook.com/SunsetPonies

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                                    • #78
                                      Originally posted by Tim Jennings View Post
                                      The Select Pony Breeders Production Sale will be suspended in 2009. Limited Pony Sessions will return to the Virginia Hunter & Sport Horse Sales in the Spring. Ponies will be subject to approval.
                                      Animals of poor quality and/or condition or that have a lack of training, poor training, bad attitudes, vices etc., have a very, very limited buyer pool.

                                      The bad economy is the biggest part of the problem.

                                      Irresponsible breeders who reproduce bad horses and ponies are also part of the problem and suffer worst in a down market cycle like we are experiencing now. Now, more than ever, people who breed to sell had better know what the market wants. The marketplace is an unforgiving judge of the quality you breed.
                                      thank you for replying....not only does quality matter but there has never been a historic market for pony colts/youngstock...

                                      unlike our Cattle Horse sales (the last I was with you was Perry GA in 2001 I believe ) there is no monetary reason to buy a young pony as they have absolutely no resale value until they are trained and hopefully going to the Pony Finals three years later...

                                      and even then, do we have the Futurity money or LTE's to back up the "hoped for " future talent/value of a sale animal ??? nope...we are lucky to even know who bred them...

                                      we have only the hope that they do not crash into someone or something,are not lame from the 15 hour trip to get to the Finals...not "screwed" by bad footing and on and on and on....

                                      thanks for offering the sales that you do

                                      best,
                                      Last edited by Tamara in TN; Sep. 2, 2008, 04:30 PM.
                                      Production Acres,Pro A Welsh Cobs
                                      I am one of the last 210,000 remaining full time farmers in America.We feed the others.

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                                      • #79
                                        Thanks for the kind words. We try our best to offer a quality market place. It is frustrating when people that I know, (true story here), go to a stockyard sale and buy big problems, like a rogue "gelding" that is drugged at the sale and turns out to be a crypt-orchid, for $1,100.

                                        Come see us in Murfreesboro, TN in February for our next cow horse sale. The August 9th sale was great with over 60 horses working cattle while they sold. High Seller was a yearling filly for $76,000. The weekend features Cuttings on Friday and Sunday and the sale on Saturday. Plenty of tack shops and vendors there as well. Fun weekend!
                                        Tim Jennings
                                        Flashpoint Bloodstock, LLC
                                        http://www.sporthorseauctions.com/

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                                        • #80
                                          Originally posted by Tim Jennings View Post

                                          Irresponsible breeders who reproduce bad horses and ponies are also part of the problem and suffer worst in a down market cycle like we are experiencing now. Now, more than ever, people who breed to sell had better know what the market wants. The marketplace is an unforgiving judge of the quality you breed.

                                          Thanks for posting that Tim! So true.

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