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  • When do shows usually cash an entry check?

    Just had an odd occurrence: checking out my "horse account" for current balance tonight, I see I'm overdrawn! What?? (I refund it at the beginning of each month, when I get paid, and it had money in it for feed/shoeing at the end of the month). I checked out the amount, and it was a sizable check I mailed in for a local show in August! August! I've never had a show cash a check before the show, ever. I sent the farm an email asking if they'd received it--in case the entry/check was stolen or something.

    What is your experience? Have I just been lucky that the shows I attend cash after the event?
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    I have had checks cashed a few weeks before the show, from what I recall. 2-3 weeks I think maybe.

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    • #3
      I've had a few shows in the million years I've shown cash a stall deposit check if it was completely written out. I've learned to avoid this by sending a blank check, or not sending a check in at all and waiting until I get to the show to hand one over. I usually just make stall reservations over phone/by email anyway nowadays, but sending an open check keeps it from being cashed. The fact that they cashed yours is a little odd.. but not totally unheard of.
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      • #4
        Eek. I would never write a check out if I didn't have the money in my account to cover it. Checks can be cashed any time - most banks don't even check dates so a lot of places they'll take them even if they're post dated. Next time send the show a blank check - it's better that way anyway since you may end up changing the amount of classes you do, etc.
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        • #5
          I've had the opposite problem... shows not cashing my checks for upwards of 9 months!

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          • #6
            The person/entity the check is made out to can cash it the day they get it. They are under no obligation to hold it and post dating is, actually, no protection as it is really not legal.

            I used to just send the stall checks and post enter. Shows cashed mine sometime between 3 days after I sent it to a month after the show, no rhyme or reason to that.

            I started doing that after I had a horse injured right before shipping to a 2 week AA. Trainer subbed a sale horse and paid me directly for the non refundable stall. I had entered 2 divisions and some random warm up classes each week-maybe 700 total. It took 4 MONTHS to get that refund...after weekly (unreturned) calls. Showed up a week after I had a phone chat with USEF.
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              #7
              Thanks for the replies. I think I'll send two checks in to shows (these are 1-2 day local series shows, not my A show entries!) from now on: one for stall, one for classes. I understand that there are expenses that come before exhibitors show up that need to be paid for, but the randomness of this really hurts. It's like those of us who get our entries in early are funding those who get theirs in late, much the way the whole world works!

              Well, thank god my "horsey account" is not my regular checking account and that my bank only charges $3/overdraft fee. (love my credit union!!). And, getting paid once a month makes budgeting hard when checks are cashed at random times.

              Lesson learned.
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              • #8
                I've always sent a check just for stall fees, then brought in a separate open check to the show office that is closed out the very last day of showing.

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                • #9
                  I have been to some shows that explicitly state that checks will be deposited/cashed immediately upon receipt AND that open checks would be deposited immediately for the total amount due.

                  I make it a point to never write a check unless the money is in my account *right now*. And once I've written a check, in my view that money is gone, no matter how long it takes to clear.
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                  • #10
                    That reminds me, I once sent 2 stall checks filled out-around 400- plus 2 blank checks for entries for a 2 week AA show almost 8 weeks before the show. I had not even filled out any specific entries on the form-figured I'd be safe that way.

                    NOPE..

                    They cashed all 4 the day they got them-like 1200-using what they thought I would enter (I routinely showed with that management so they used my history) and I bounced the only checks that went rubber on me in 30 years+. Course the dam show checks went thru and things like Rent and a car payment were the ones that bounced. My bank actually did not charge me much but those other folks sure did.

                    Nobody you can really complain to because you are not supposed to send blank, signed checks any more then post dated ones.

                    My fault, of course. But that was the last time I sent blank checks. Also switched to a Credit Union for everything-they cover overdrafts from savings at no charge if you have been good.
                    When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

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                      #11
                      This is not a show where you can send a blank check--a two day, "local" series show, not an A show of multiple days where they are perfectly happy having you pay the day in haul in, except for stall/etc. One check for everything, up front or you pay post-entry fees. Closing date for entries is 3.5 weeks ahead of show--which is quite a long time (most are 1 week prior here, for these type of shows).

                      I did have enough cash in the account, I'm barely overdrawn (like 5 bucks!) because of another purchase that I had to make yesterday afternoon for our dog at the vet. My mistake, absolutely. Just trying to get a feel for what small show, show managers do and competitors expect.
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                      • #12
                        I have only had a show cash a check if there was a stall deposit. I've never written a check out for the entire show though--usually only send a blank check. If they request a stall check in advance, I assume they will cash it in advance.
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                        • #13
                          As soon as they can IME.

                          I only send a check for the stall deposit, even thought I think the prize list says you have to send a check for the whole shebang.

                          I've yet to get a seperate charge for not sending in a check for the classes entered. Although I'm sure that's the next 'nickle and dime' tactic coming down the pipe.

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                          • #14
                            you send BLANK checks? you mean signed with no amount filled in? anyone can suck your account dry if you do that and you'll have no legal recourse.

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                            • #15
                              Yes Wendy, but...you sometimes do not know what you will specifically enter 6 or 8 weeks out, some shows ding you for adding and scratching and alot of them insist on including the entries-which alot of us just ignore and send the stall and office charge fee check and post enter at a small additional charge. Some do send blank checks for entry with the filled in stall check. We know it's not a good idea.

                              How can you not know what you will enter? Well, you probably know your main divisions but there are a number of warm up options and if you are doing well you might do a Classic or Derby. It could also be 120f, raining or some other situation that makes you skip the day. Or you could be thinking about moving up if you do well in early classes.

                              Post entry is easier for exhibitors, harder on the show office.
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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Tha Ridge View Post
                                I've always sent a check just for stall fees, then brought in a separate open check to the show office that is closed out the very last day of showing.
                                This is what I do too--avoids any late stall fees. We usually have enough add ons that if I have to scratch someone will take the stall.
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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by wendy View Post
                                  you send BLANK checks? you mean signed with no amount filled in? anyone can suck your account dry if you do that and you'll have no legal recourse.
                                  This isn't entirely true, because even the blank checks I've sent in the past are made payable to the horse show management. I've never been made of money, but I've somehow always had bigger things to worry about than a lone blank check getting lost in the mail.

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                                  • #18
                                    Maybe things are done differently here (Canada) but I have NEVER had a show cash a cheque until the end of the show! All of the local shows I frequent present your cheque and your bill when you check out, and you write a new cheque if the total has changed from when you sent your entries in (generally due to scratched classes-- to add classes you have to leave a blank cheque with the office).

                                    The main rated show around here accepts credit cards and so they charge a deposit to your card the day entries close and charge the balance on the last day of the show. If you pay by cheque they require a deposit cheque to be cashed when entries close and don't need another cheque until the end of the show.

                                    As a side note- I wish ALL show accepted credit cards! The amount of rewards points I could collect in one summer would be staggering!
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                                    • #19
                                      I don't know about show management, but I know when I was a BM/instructor and then later, a BO, checks I got went just about immediately to the bank. IME, I've found people cannot manage money, and the first person to the bank wins. I've had some checks bounce and generally the excuses were "I didn't expect such-n-such check to go through already."
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                                      • #20
                                        I have never had a show cheque cashed in advance of a show. Our local show series accepts VISA which is nice or blank cheque. When you check out at the end of your classes the wonderful secretary does an immediate tally on her computer, adds and subtracts classes, extra bedding bought, subtracts any prize money won, does a split on the tack stall (if arranged in advance by your coach) and you either write one cheque for everything or do one VISA transaction.

                                        It's very civilized

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