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  • I fell off, and so did my helmet.

    I bought my helmet a year and a half ago. It was fitted to me at a show by a tack shop I respect. I'm paranoid about fitting because I'm tough to fit- I was dropped on my head as a child (really. Go on, the joke's right there) and my head is asymmetrical. The thing fits- wiggles the eyebrows, doesn't shift, etc. etc. etc. I check the chin strap every ride and keep it snug. Edited to add: The helmet was custom-padded to my head at time of purchase and I continue to replace the padding regularly as I am aware that it compresses over time.

    Today I got bucked off, and on impact, my helmet slid off of my head. I stood up with the thing around my neck. I'm pretty sure it took the brunt of the bit where I hit my head. First fall I've had in it, so no basis of comparison.

    My question is: is this something that can happen with a properly-adjusted and well-fitting helmet in any scenario where you whack it the right way, or do I need to consider switching models?

    Please take my word on it that the helmet fits, because, since this is my brain and I have a vested interest in keeping it functional, I'm fitted by people who know what they're doing and I maintain the fit by replacing padding, etc. If the thing didn't fit, there wouldn't have been a point to asking the question.
    Last edited by Renn/aissance; Jul. 19, 2012, 12:38 PM.
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  • #2
    Sounds like time for a new helmet – but I do not know if you need to be ticked off at the tack shop. I see helmets fly off heads all the time in the NFL, and I think those are pretty full coverage / well fitted helmets. I am not sure how that happens, but it does!

    So it came off with your chin strap still fastened? Now you have my curiosity – I should see if I can get mine off when it is buckled..

    Do you wear your hair up in your helmet? Was the chin strap tight?
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    • #3
      Before you go and pay full price for a new helmet... Some of the top brands will give you a discount if you fill out an accident form. Charles Owen gave me a great discount (45% or 65%, can't remember).
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      • #4
        Hope you are OK, Renn! If you don't start feeling better, get yourself in to the Doc.

        I'd be interested to hear what the shop that fitted it has to say about it.
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        • #5
          Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding a portion of your post. Technically your helmet would need to be replaced due to being in an accident. Of course if it was ill-fitting it would need to be replaced too, but at this point the accident is the primary reason for replacement.

          Definitely check with the manufacturer because some of them offer discounts on replacements when you've had a fall.

          Where was the impact when you fell? I'm trying to get a visual of how it slid off.

          ETA: I've had helmets that fit great when I first purchased them and about a year later they don't fit as well. Not sure why!

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            #6
            I phrased badly. It went backwards and I got up wearing it like a bonnet around my shoulders.

            My hair was up- since my head is asymmetrical, I wear my hair on one side to fill in the gaps. This is how it was fitted and upon seeing my head, most people have agreed that it is sensible to do it that way. The chin strap was tight- I can feel pressure under my chin from the strap at all times.

            Just weird. I've never had this happen.
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            • #7
              A year and a half is enough time of "settling" for a helmet not to fit as securely as when you purchased.

              It's like a shoe will not wear the same broken in as brand new.

              Most helmet company warranties will not cover your helmet if your hair was up in the helmet- helmet was made to be worn on your head- not on your head on top of all your hair. Read the fine print or just contact the company.

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              • #8
                Maybe that's why they say you should never put your hair up in your helmet.

                Sorry, hunter princesses.

                Maybe your next helmet should have some custom shims.
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                A helmet saved my life.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Renn/aissance View Post
                  if the sensible course of action is to buy a new helmet.
                  Watch the video linked here - it shows a comparison of the foam structure before & after an impact - which makes it very clear why helmets should be replaced after any crash.

                  Glad you came out OK

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by TheHorseProblem View Post
                    Maybe that's why they say you should never put your hair up in your helmet.

                    Sorry, hunter princesses.

                    Maybe your next helmet should have some custom shims.
                    This one did. Thank you everyone for your concern about my hair. I will leave the final call on that one to the people who have fit me into helmets for years (not the shop who sold me this one,) two helmet reps, and my sports medicine doctor, who treats many an equestrian and is aware of concerns regarding helmet fitting and safety including, yes, the hair up or down debate. They have all seen my head and the way I put my hair up. They do not believe it compromises the fit of the helmet and in my case have agreed that it is not a stupid idea to use my hair to fill in a dent on the back of my head. I am not particularly interested in further discussion of that point.

                    Let me clarify that my concern is less about "is it sensible to replace the helmet that has been crashed in" but "is the helmet coming off a fluke, something that can happen if you smack it in the right place, or a reason to get another make and model of helmet because this is out of left field." That is why I am hoping that we can table the well-meant concern about hair and fit, which I do appreciate in the spirit it was meant (for those of you who meant it well,) and take it for granted that the thing fit.
                    "I'm not always sarcastic. Sometimes I'm asleep." - Harry Dresden

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                    • #11
                      I would think that if you hit at JUST THE RIGHT ANGLE, any helmet,no matter how well fitted, could get knocked up above your head. How did you hit, do you remember? I would think it would require a sort of slingshot combo face plant with force going straight UP at the brim to make that happen, again at JUST the right angle... but it seems possible to me. My helmet fits great but if I was to bonk it JUST right, at JUST the right angle with good force-- I could pop it up my forehead.

                      Sorry you fell. Hope you feel better!
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                      • #12
                        Sorry to hear about your fall and I'm glad you're okay! What helmet were you wearing?

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by vxf111 View Post
                          I would think that if you hit at JUST THE RIGHT ANGLE, any helmet,no matter how well fitted, could get knocked up above your head. How did you hit, do you remember? I would think it would require a sort of slingshot combo face plant with force going straight UP at the brim to make that happen, again at JUST the right angle... but it seems possible to me. My helmet fits great but if I was to bonk it JUST right, at JUST the right angle with good force-- I could pop it up my forehead.

                          Sorry you fell. Hope you feel better!
                          I have no particular recollection because I was trying to get out of the way of the horse (he did a pretty athletic buck and twist and I ended up slingshotting under his neck after a misguided and completely failed attempt to stay on in the name of pride ) but based on the dirt patches, I hit my hip, back, shoulder, and the left front and side of the helmet, in about that order, while rolling. I can't tell if I whomped the visor or not. I didn't major in physics, if you can't tell.
                          Last edited by Renn/aissance; Jul. 18, 2012, 10:32 PM.
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                          Support my mom! She's gotta finance her retirement horse somehow.

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                          • #14
                            Back when they first changed the approved helmet rules for juniors, the CO Show jumper was the only helmet that even remotely fit me, so that's what i was stuck with. I fell off,and the helmet did EXACTLY what yours did. From then on, i only rode in it for shows, and schooled in my unapproved international, that stayed on without chin strap.

                            Id get anew helmet, that fits.

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                            • #15
                              I understand and appreciate what you are saying about your hair but, without a doubt, hair as padding always makes it easier for a helmet to come off. Helmets really are designed to be without hair as padding. There are other materials that can be used as padding that won't slide and won't change shape allowing the helmet to slide off improperly. That's why the insurance company that insures the manufacturer requires no hair tucked under the helmet.

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                              • #16
                                Lol I doubt "no hair in helmets" is an actual stipulation on their policies, honestly. And I can't say that's I've seen any warnings on any of the helmets I've bought to not tuck my hair up or my warranty will be void.


                                As for your helmet flying backwards being a fluke, I agree with vxf111. I would think at the right angle with the right amount of force, it could pop off. I know in all the falls I've taken most of which were not a direct hit to my head, my helmet was always slightly askew. And it was a helmet that fit me very securely.

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                                • #17
                                  I've seen helmets come off during an impact, well-fitted, correctly worn helmets, so I don't think it is a fluke. Regardless, you must replace your helmet in a fall where you hit your head. Your helmet gave its life to save your head.

                                  Now...depending on the brand, if you kept your box (makes it easier) you can return it and receive a new helmet for a fraction of the cost. I had a fall 2 years ago, and while my head wasn't the main impact, I returned my International helmet and got a new one for $60.
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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by KateKat View Post
                                    Lol I doubt "no hair in helmets" is an actual stipulation on their policies, honestly. And I can't say that's I've seen any warnings on any of the helmets I've bought to not tuck my hair up or my warranty will be void.

                                    Actually, read the fine print to voiding liability. Many helmet makers list having hair tucked up as a condition that automatically voids the safety expectancy of the helmet. While the helmet may be under a warranty, if you are injured and attempt to seek compensation from the company, they can claim you misused the helmet by putting your hair up into it.

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by TheHorseProblem View Post
                                      Maybe that's why they say you should never put your hair up in your helmet.

                                      Sorry, hunter princesses.

                                      Maybe your next helmet should have some custom shims.
                                      Absolutely! Hair is not a good fitting aid. It shifts.
                                      madeline
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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by Madeline View Post
                                        Absolutely! Hair is not a good fitting aid. It shifts.
                                        I know for a fact that the barn rats at my stable, at least the ones who intend to show, buy their helmets to fit their head with their hair up inside of it. That seems to be SOP.

                                        I honestly never thought about it until this thread, but is hunter hair inherently unsafe? (no pun intended)

                                        Not to derail thread, but just wondering.
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