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  • what to do if your trainer drugs?

    I have been with my trainer for a few years and I have been mostly happy. But all of this crap about drugging and injections at horse shows has really made me kind of uncomfortable. I am a good rider and I don't always win but I enjoy showing. Some of the girls in my barn talk about which horses get drugged and which ones don't. I would rather ride my horse through a problem than have my trainer make my horse sleepy but i dont know if this is happening to my horse . One of the girls in my barn kind of made it known to the public that our barn drugs recently. She posted about how its better to ace than to lunge and i dont agree . it made us look really bad and I dont want to be a part of that. This apparently happens all of the time, even for lessons at home. I didnt start to notice until all the sad news about Humble and the threads on here talkin about how bad all of it is. I have always just let my trainer do whatever she wants but now im not so sure. If she does this to the other horses in the barn do you think she does it to mine?

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    Originally posted by Grey Hano View Post
    If she does this to the other horses in the barn do you think she does it to mine?
    Absolutely!
    Since horsemanship has gone the way of the Edsel in this country, chemistry is the only way many people can get things done.
    Anybody who can't work without that stuff has no business in the horse industry much less training.

    Fire them immediately and get somebody competent. You have nothing to learn from this individual
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    • #3
      Start looking for a trainer, because what you have now isn't a trainer, it's an amateur pharmacist.
      "It's like a Russian nesting doll of train wrecks."--CaitlinandTheBay

      ...just settin' on the Group W bench.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Ghazzu View Post
        Start looking for a trainer, because what you have now isn't a trainer, it's an amateur pharmacist.
        I couldn't have put it better my self, Ghazzu.

        Grey Hano, I'm very sorry your in this situation.

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        • #5
          Agreed, and if people ask why you left, tell them you are sick of your horse being DRUGGED to be ridden.
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          • #6
            Just a word of caution. When you move your horse out of this kind of situation without knowing exactly what he was on or how much...give him enough down time to come off of it and then take the time to get to know your real horse. I've seen too many people get hurt because they just didn't know.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Jealoushe View Post
              Agreed, and if people ask why you left, tell them you are sick of your horse being DRUGGED to be ridden.
              A big barn north of here just closed down last month over that very issue--the clients found out the BO had been drugging all the horses, even for lessons, all the time. They deserve to be out of business.

              Right now, I'm in the middle of teaching one of their ex-clients how to manage the horse he's owned for years--without the drugs. They're doing just fine.

              This whole industry needs such a wake-up call it isn't even funny. But when the entire culture promotes medicating every little discomfort or inconvenience away in humans, why should we be surprised?

              Vote with your feet. There are REAL trainers out there!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Jealoushe View Post
                Agreed, and if people ask why you left, tell them you are sick of your horse being DRUGGED to be ridden.
                ...This is of course assuming that the OP's horse IS being drugged, which I dont believe was ever stated. That seems a bit harsh and could also be considered slander if its not true...

                Talk to your trainer, its your call. If you're happy with the training that you're receiving and happy with the way that your horse is performing (sans drugs) then I dont see a reason to move. Set up boundaries, let them know how uncomfortable and NOT OK you would be if they ever tried to drug your horse and then stick to these boundaries. If your trainer steps over these boundaries then thats a time to leave but as long as your training is drug free, I would stay. (providing of course that you ARE happy overall with everything else in the program). If other clients are letting their horses get drugged with their knowledge, then thats their problem.
                Of course, if you think that theres a barn nearby that might suit your needs a bit better then by all means, move, but as long as your horse is not being drugged and you are happy with the training, I wouldnt worry.

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                • #9
                  Get a new trainer.

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                  • #10
                    How many "trainers" can afford to drug horses without some indication showing up on the owner's bills?
                    "I'm a lumberjack, and I'm okay."
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                    • #11
                      I would be to worried to keep my horse there. Even if I spoke with the trainer and was assured my horse wasn't being drugged and I made it clear that I did NOT want my horse to be drugged, the possibility of my horse being drugged without my consent or accidentally would be in the back of my mind.

                      If you are happy with the actual training you are receiving, and feel like she is doing right by you and your horse, then sit down with her and be clear about how you feel about your horse being drugged, and continue on with her.

                      However, if you feel as though you could benefit elsewhere, or if you are like me and would be worried about an accidental or unconcented drugging, then get a new trainer.
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                      • #12
                        My first instinct was to say leave. Thinking about it a little more, sit down with your trainer and have a serious discussion about the situation - don't be accusatory, but be frank and get the information you need to know. Then go from there.

                        Personally, I wouldn't stay if any horses were being drugged for competition, whether they were mine or not. I don't support unethical behavior whether it directly affects me or not.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by supershorty628 View Post
                          My first instinct was to say leave. Thinking about it a little more, sit down with your trainer and have a serious discussion about the situation - don't be accusatory, but be frank and get the information you need to know. Then go from there.
                          Understanding that you're running the risk of the trainer lying to you to avoid losing clients. Questionable morals are questionable morals, and if they're illegally drugging horses at shows, I'm sure they'd have no problem lying to a client.

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                          • #14
                            If I were in your shoes I would start by having a very direct conversation with your trainer. If you are a minor, you should discuss the issue with your parents and then have them speak with your trainer. Riders and owners have every right to know what medications, injections, or supplements their horses are receiving. It may not be a question some trainers want to answer. Remember that asking about "supplements" is critical since drugs such as GABA (Carolina Gold) or magnesium are sometimes referred to as "supplements" to owners.

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                            • #15
                              Understanding that you're running the risk of the trainer lying to you to avoid losing clients. Questionable morals are questionable morals, and if they're illegally drugging horses at shows, I'm sure they'd have no problem lying to a client.
                              True enough, and "trust but verify" is always the order of the day. However I would also not like to condemn someone on the basis of hearsay, which is really all you have to go on at this point. That hearsay may be true, but if you respect your trainer and have a good relationship, you owe him/her the courtesy of a discussion.

                              If you don't respect the trainer or have a good relationship, you really don't need to know the answer to that question, you already have some very good reasons why it would be better for both of you if you parted ways. If that is the case, you have some very good questions to ask your potential future trainer about how they manage their barn and what your expectations are.
                              Your crazy is showing. You might want to tuck that back in.

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by DMK View Post
                                True enough, and "trust but verify" is always the order of the day. However I would also not like to condemn someone on the basis of hearsay, which is really all you have to go on at this point. That hearsay may be true, but if you respect your trainer and have a good relationship, you owe him/her the courtesy of a discussion.
                                I agree. I do think, though, that I would put a little more stock in the "accusations" given that they came from people in the barn rather than outsiders.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Profidia View Post
                                  Absolutely!
                                  Since horsemanship has gone the way of the Edsel in this country, chemistry is the only way many people can get things done.
                                  Anybody who can't work without that stuff has no business in the horse industry much less training.

                                  Fire them immediately and get somebody competent. You have nothing to learn from this individual
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                                  • #18
                                    Have the vet out. Get some blood pulled. Find out.

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by vineyridge View Post
                                      How many "trainers" can afford to drug horses without some indication showing up on the owner's bills?
                                      Exactly^

                                      I can't quite fathom an owner not knowing every single thing a horse is getting, especially if owner is also the rider. Is there any reason that your horse would be getting drugged? I'd talk to the trainer (and vet) to ensure I was being kept in the loop on all meds; if either has a problem with that, then find another barn.

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by gumshoe View Post
                                        Have the vet out. Get some blood pulled. Find out.
                                        That will work to see if your horse is being drugged, but you won't be able to pull blood from other horses. If it's a moral issue for you and not just an "I don't care what trainer does as long as it's not done to my horse", it won't help you.

                                        Plus it'll get you kicked out "right quick."

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