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  • Talking about Rox Dene...

    Tell me what made her so special. Was it her form? Consistency? What was it? Aren't there other horses just as good?

    I'm serious. I'm looking for why this was a top horse in the hunter world. I have no clue. She looks pretty in her pictures. Tight knees folded to her chin, forward looking, pretty expression, stretching through her topline. What else was there to her that made her a top horse and why aren't there more?

    I can only conclude that I'm paying off karma at a vastly accelerated rate.


    [This message was edited by Velvet on Oct. 22, 2003 at 05:05 PM.]
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    Tell me what made her so special. Was it her form? Consistency? What was it? Aren't there other horses just as good?

    I'm serious. I'm looking for why this was a top horse in the hunter world. I have no clue. She looks pretty in her pictures. Tight knees folded to her chin, forward looking, pretty expression, stretching through her topline. What else was there to her that made her a top horse and why aren't there more?

    I can only conclude that I'm paying off karma at a vastly accelerated rate.


    [This message was edited by Velvet on Oct. 22, 2003 at 05:05 PM.]
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    • #3
      Yes it was her spectacular form at every jump every time. It was also her consistancy and beautiful movement. She was also quite stunning to look at. I would have to say that the length of her winning career has a lot to do with it. This horse won everything for years. So many horses come into the ring as greenies and become the flavor of the week, so to speak. Asking why aren't there more like her is like asking why there aren't more horses like Secretariat The combination of things that have to come together to make the kind of hunter Rox Dene was is nearly impossible.

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      • #4
        I think it was the way she snapped her knees right off the ground. She used her shoulder and neck (hell, her whole front end) in such an amazing way.

        I had heard about her for years, but had never seen her go when I finally saw her at the first Capital Challenge in '94. As beautiful as she is in pictures, once you saw that trademark jump and how swifty and how far the front end came up, you realized exactly what she was so great.

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        • #5
          She is just plain amazing, I don't think there's anyone who could argue that!

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            Okay, still just trying to understand and get it right, so why would she be considered the epitome of a hunter if no other horse can do what she did and she's actually sort of a "freak of nature" (in a nice way)? I mean, in racing it's all about speed and time and not form. This is about form. In dressage we have disagreements all the time on what is more correct. Why was this more correct if it's not possible for other horses to achieve it and it was an aberration?

            Or are there other horses that come VERY close, but aren't able to take it that half-notch further? Some who can jump as well but are not dependable?

            (What sort of classes was she in all the time? What was the height?)

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            • #7
              Velvet, she worked her way through the hunter divisions. She started at 3' in the pre-greens, did well as a first year horse in the 3'6, did the second years at 3'9, and was wildly successful as a regular horse at 4'. There are not many horses that can jump 4' in the quiet hunter canter.

              To put it very very simply, she was the best we have seen in a looong time. I'm sorry I'm not quite understanding what part of this you don't understand. Yes hunters are subjective, but we all know what a good trip looks like. There's sort of a scale of fanciness. That horse your neighbor has in the backyard that is a trashy mover who hangs his legs and never leaves the yard? Not fancy. The local/B show horse? Eh, maybe getting warmer. The small A show children's/AA hunter who is safe and steady, and gets low ribbons? Probably in the same category. Then there are the horses who consistantly win at the largest of horse shows in the best of company in the professional divisions. Now we're talking fancy; conformation horses most of all.

              Rox Dene was the best of her generation. Some people compare other horses to her. She is certainly not alone in that category of "the fanciest", but she won a ton all over, and was a pretty special horse. A Gifted, if you will. A superstar.

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              • #8
                I was reading this, and a thought occured to me. would I even WANT to compete in a class against Rox Dene? I wonder what people thought when they found out they were competeing against her!

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                • #9
                  I think of Michael Jordan. There are lots of professioanl basketball players and lots of guys on Championship teams, but if you ever SAW him play, you knew it was special.

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                  • #10
                    Velvet, when it comes to matters of style in hunters you generally find two exceptional styles (ad a whole lot of lesser variations on the theme). Type A (my favorite) is excellent with the shoulder - raised above the vertical. However Type A frequently tends to be looser at the knee. Type B is not nearly as good at the shoulder (at the vertical) but is VERY tight at the knee and ankle. It's a given that both of these horses are round over the jump.

                    Most trips/pictures of Strapless are more of the Type B variety, whereas Oszcar looks more Type A.

                    Rox Dene managed to be Type A AND be tight below the knee - the best of both worlds.

                    Add to that a beautifully conformed horse who had a lovely way of going but had just the perfect amount of natural backup and the right degree of spook at the jump and you have something rare indeed.

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                    • #11
                      Are there videos you can order that have Rox Dene trips on them? I would LOVE to see this mare go, after seeing countless numbers of perfect o/f pictures. She is so beautiful.

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                      • #12
                        good question rodeo...i was wondering the same thing! i never got to see her go at a show and have always wanted to see one of her trips! C. Boylen...help us out on this one! do you know if there are any we can order?
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                        • #13
                          I feel I must point out that Rox Dene was FLAWLESSLY presented for the bulk of her career by Rodney Bross and Elizabeth Solter. And their efforts were supported by her owner Ms. Boylen. Elizabeth's ride was so smooth and deliberate...I never saw her miss on the spectacular Rox Dene. Listening to Rodney's training advice was an education in itself..they left NOTHING to chance...they knew how each fence should be executed..how much leg over the verticle, how many strides off the turns to the oxer, more leg there etc.etc. SO calculated. It was the combination of these four that made the final presentation so special IMHO. That's the challenge of the hunters...no one stands alone...it is a partnership all the way...and we've seen none better than that of Rox Dene,Rodney and Elizabeth and Ms. Boylen. Actually, I would like to thank them all for showing me how it is supposed to look!!! Setting the bar a little high...but something to shoot for nonetheless!!!

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                            Val,
                            I've had the pleasure of working with Elizabeth and watching her work with my 3 yr old. Watching him go when she's riding him is truely amazing. He has a glow about him and a definate ora of confidence the minute she sits in his irons. Cannot wait till Spring when we return to training... Never seen RoxDene in person, but followed her extensively, loved the mare. The way Elizabeth talks about her to this day, you can tell the mare was special to everyone...

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                            • #15
                              How fortunate you are to have her riding your horse. During her "Roxdene" years, I watched her ride other horses as well and she gave them the same deliberate ride that gives a horse so much confidence. I remember I saved her interview in the PH for years and used it to remind myself of how it SHOULD be done...not sure I have EVER been able to do it though!

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                              • #16
                                Rox Dene is an incredible hunter, both for her form and consistency across the field as well as her presence. I also believe there are several hunters that are in her class that are never known due to finances. Let's face it it's expensive to show a hunter to limits that the top show hunters are shown. So many very talented hunters never get the "press" because their owners don't have the funds. I'm certainly not discarding anything that the top hunters have achieved I just know I have been blessed to ride and see many who will never make it to that status due to funds.
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                                • #17
                                  has anyone heard of a horse that showed during rox dene's reign named cliche'?

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                                    PICS PLEASE someone?!?!?

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                                    • #19
                                      It is definitely two words.

                                      And don't forget Bert Mutch, who was Rodney's rider at the beginning of her career.

                                      C.Boylen has a good picture of Bert doing the pre-greens on the mare, I think... it is over white birch rails as I recall. If you do a search either here or on google I am sure you will find photos.

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                                      • #20
                                        Sorry guys, I don't know of any videos. We actually don't have a ton ourselves. Elizabeth's mother had the most tapes, and since she has passed on I'm not sure where those ended up
                                        And, it's Rox Dene, with the space. The place she was named after in Bermuda is all one word, but due to the fact that we told Rodney how to register her over the phone, since we named her before we actually saw her, there was a slight bit of miscommunication that resulted not only in the split word, but also in her being entered in her first pre-green class as Fox Dene :P
                                        Also, if I get to add my two cents, she is special because she could model, hack, and jump, and win in both the conformation and the working classes, and do so at all three heights. She also never saw the end of a lunge line, never took a lame step, and was a pet in the barn. That's the whole package that's so hard to find

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